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re: Rookie minicamp is ok but a preseason camp is not?
Posted on 8/26/26 at 1:43 pm to Adam Banks
Posted on 8/26/26 at 1:43 pm to Adam Banks
Ok lets try coming at this from a different angle: Why is this a hill LSU should die on? The SEC voted unanimously to exclude these players, LSU included in that vote. This is doing a good bit of damage to the brand and causing a huge distraction as we prepare for Clemson.
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Posted on 8/26/26 at 1:44 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
Except it really wouldn't be an issue past this season. This is simply for a select few that would've benefited from the 5 for 5 but had no other option but to try to go pro.
This wouldn't be an issue in the future, as everyone is now aware of 5 for 5. I'm not sure why this is so hard to understand.
This wouldn't be an issue in the future, as everyone is now aware of 5 for 5. I'm not sure why this is so hard to understand.
Posted on 8/26/26 at 1:45 pm to dallastiger55
A player generally cannot attend an NFL mini-camp without some form of signed agreement. ?
NFL rules under the Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA, primarily Articles 21 and 22) and standard team practices require paperwork for participation, mainly for injury protection, liability, and compliance.
Veterans and Players Already in the League
• Players under a full NFL Player Contract must attend the mandatory veteran minicamp (one per team, typically in June during Phase 3 of the offseason program) or risk daily fines.
• Unsigned players—such as those with a restricted free agent or franchise/transition tender who have not signed it, or a club’s own unrestricted free agents whose prior contract has expired—must sign an Offseason Workout Program and Minicamp Participation Agreement (the standard form in CBA Appendix Q) before participating in offseason workouts or minicamps. ?
This agreement is voluntary (the player can leave at any time) and provides injury protection: if injured while participating, the player receives a one-year salary equal to the greater of the required tender, the applicable minimum salary, or a negotiated amount. It lets the player keep free-agency rights while working with the team. Without it, participation is not allowed.
Rookies (Drafted or Undrafted)
• Drafted rookies and signed undrafted free agents can (and routinely do) attend the post-draft rookie minicamp and related activities without having finalized their full multi-year NFL Player Contract.
• They typically sign a rookie participation agreement (wording can vary slightly by team). This ensures that if the player is injured, the team will continue negotiating in good faith for the contract the player would have received if healthy. ?
Examples include cases like Dante Fowler (2015), who tore his ACL in rookie minicamp after signing the participation agreement and still received his full slotted rookie deal shortly afterward.
• Pure tryout invitees (unsigned undrafted players brought in for the 2–3 day rookie minicamp) attend without a full contract. They are evaluated on a tryout basis; the team covers reasonable medical expenses for any injury sustained there, but there is no salary guarantee or automatic contract offer. ?
Why Some Form of Agreement Is Required
• Liability and injury protection for both the player and the club.
• CBA compliance (including rules on compensation, physical exams, and participation limits).
• League protocols (e.g., players without contracts or participation agreements are generally not subject to certain testing or other formal processes).
In short, while a full long-term Player Contract is not always required (especially for rookies at minicamp), some signed agreement—either the full contract, the Appendix Q participation agreement for certain veterans, or a rookie participation/tryout arrangement—is standard and effectively mandatory. Walking on with zero paperwork is not permitted.
NFL rules under the Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA, primarily Articles 21 and 22) and standard team practices require paperwork for participation, mainly for injury protection, liability, and compliance.
Veterans and Players Already in the League
• Players under a full NFL Player Contract must attend the mandatory veteran minicamp (one per team, typically in June during Phase 3 of the offseason program) or risk daily fines.
• Unsigned players—such as those with a restricted free agent or franchise/transition tender who have not signed it, or a club’s own unrestricted free agents whose prior contract has expired—must sign an Offseason Workout Program and Minicamp Participation Agreement (the standard form in CBA Appendix Q) before participating in offseason workouts or minicamps. ?
This agreement is voluntary (the player can leave at any time) and provides injury protection: if injured while participating, the player receives a one-year salary equal to the greater of the required tender, the applicable minimum salary, or a negotiated amount. It lets the player keep free-agency rights while working with the team. Without it, participation is not allowed.
Rookies (Drafted or Undrafted)
• Drafted rookies and signed undrafted free agents can (and routinely do) attend the post-draft rookie minicamp and related activities without having finalized their full multi-year NFL Player Contract.
• They typically sign a rookie participation agreement (wording can vary slightly by team). This ensures that if the player is injured, the team will continue negotiating in good faith for the contract the player would have received if healthy. ?
Examples include cases like Dante Fowler (2015), who tore his ACL in rookie minicamp after signing the participation agreement and still received his full slotted rookie deal shortly afterward.
• Pure tryout invitees (unsigned undrafted players brought in for the 2–3 day rookie minicamp) attend without a full contract. They are evaluated on a tryout basis; the team covers reasonable medical expenses for any injury sustained there, but there is no salary guarantee or automatic contract offer. ?
Why Some Form of Agreement Is Required
• Liability and injury protection for both the player and the club.
• CBA compliance (including rules on compensation, physical exams, and participation limits).
• League protocols (e.g., players without contracts or participation agreements are generally not subject to certain testing or other formal processes).
In short, while a full long-term Player Contract is not always required (especially for rookies at minicamp), some signed agreement—either the full contract, the Appendix Q participation agreement for certain veterans, or a rookie participation/tryout arrangement—is standard and effectively mandatory. Walking on with zero paperwork is not permitted.
Posted on 8/26/26 at 1:47 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
I don't care either way. would be nice to have the 2 guys but we are still loaded with talent without them. They 100% should ban guys across the board equally. Texas player broke statement number one of simply entering into the NFL draft and no withdrawing. Those are the first players that can not be on a roster according to the statement. it did not say go into the draft, not withdraw, AND sign contract etc. He went into the draft, did not withdraw and attended minicamp for two teams whether he had a contract or not the draft process should deem him ineligible. If nothing else, LSU should put up a legal battle to ensure other teams players that meet the new criteria are not on opponents rosters.
Posted on 8/26/26 at 1:50 pm to Adam Banks
He, like Junior Tuihalamaka for LSU, did not sign an NFL contract, they simply attended a mini camp, which includes people trying out for a team.
The contract and/or being on an NFL roster is the real sticking point.
The contract and/or being on an NFL roster is the real sticking point.
Posted on 8/26/26 at 1:51 pm to dallastiger55
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Camp invite in the spring is way different from suiting up and playing in NFL preseason games and getting paid
Which players have previously participated in NFL mini-camp and then returned to school prior to this year?
Posted on 8/26/26 at 1:52 pm to Lsuray70443
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• Pure tryout invitees (unsigned undrafted players brought in for the 2–3 day rookie minicamp) attend without a full contract. They are evaluated on a tryout basis; the team covers reasonable medical expenses for any injury sustained there, but there is no salary guarantee or automatic contract offer. ?
This is what those guys were.
Posted on 8/26/26 at 1:53 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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This is doing a good bit of damage to the brand
All players see is we are willing to pay.
That’s what matters
I bet you crapped your pants when Landry called out Woodward and said that LSU is crashing
Posted on 8/26/26 at 1:54 pm to mdomingue
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The contract and/or being on an NFL roster is the real sticking point.
So they are just ineligible but not REALLY ineligible.
Posted on 8/26/26 at 1:59 pm to Adam Banks
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So they are just ineligible but not REALLY ineligible.
They did not sign a contract but did declare for the draft. They should both also be technically ineligible, but the consensus is that the SEC will ignore that part for the 2022 guys. We shall see.
Posted on 8/26/26 at 2:01 pm to mdomingue
Hence why they will get sued and lose
Posted on 8/26/26 at 2:04 pm to thunderbird1100
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They clearly wrote the rule at the B10 level to not go after that UCLA player and the SEC rule was written specifically in a way to not go after the Texas player
The verbiage of the two are pretty much identical, except the SEC one includes basketball.
So it’s more of Will Wade rule than Lane Kiffin
Posted on 8/26/26 at 2:04 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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Why is this a hill LSU should die on?
Because other schools, including opponents we play this year, are benefitting and only the ones LSU has targeted are being blocked
If the issue is "these poor kids were robbed of a final year of eligibility and should be given the option to return that they weren't given before" then it should apply to all of the kids who were robbed of their final year, or if the decision is "tough titties" then it should also apply to all of the kids who were robbed of their final year as well. I'm fine with that either way.
But as it stands, players who were not good enough to make it past minicamps are being welcomed back, players who were good enough to make 53 man rosters aren't even interested in returning, but players who were good enough to make it past camp, but not good enough to make a 53 man roster are being specifically targeted even though they had their final years taken away in the exact same way, they're not going to be on NFL rosters either, and it also bothers me that people are framing it like Josh Allen is coming back to college or something which is disingenuous. And if the response to that is "go to some other minor pro league like CFL or UFL" then why isn't that an option for the other players that tried out at minicamps but couldn't cut it?
Posted on 8/26/26 at 2:07 pm to WaterLink
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Because other schools, including opponents we play this year, are benefitting and only the ones LSU has targeted are being blocked
Not entirely true, as Junior Tuihalamaka is still eligible for LSU
Posted on 8/26/26 at 2:13 pm to WaterLink
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Because other schools, including opponents we play this year, are benefitting and only the ones LSU has targeted are being blocked
It's wild to me that the Big 10 drafted its rules with arbitrary carve-outs to make sure that everyone that a Big 10 team wanted remained eligible and the SEC also drafted its rules with arbitrary carve-outs to make sure that everyone that a Big 10 team wanted remained eligible.
This post was edited on 8/26/26 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 8/26/26 at 2:36 pm to WaterLink
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Because other schools, including opponents we play this year, are benefitting and only the ones LSU has targeted are being blocked
Incorrect. They re targeting the LSU guys AND the litany of other 5th year guys that will soon try to get back into college after they get cut from their NFL teams in about a week. LSU maybe made them address it sooner than they wanted but this idea that only LSU's players are ineligible is ridiculous.
Posted on 8/26/26 at 2:46 pm to Adam Banks
Hester said players are not paid for minicamp and sign no contract
Posted on 8/26/26 at 2:49 pm to GulfSouthTiger
According to the NFLPA, they are paid for minicamp
Posted on 8/26/26 at 2:54 pm to DBG
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According to the NFLPA, they are paid for minicamp
This is from your own post. It says they do not sign a contract or have any guaranteed salary.
Pure tryout invitees (unsigned undrafted players brought in for the 2–3 day rookie minicamp) attend without a full contract. They are evaluated on a tryout basis; the team covers reasonable medical expenses for any injury sustained there, but there is no salary guarantee or automatic contract offer.
This post was edited on 8/26/26 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 8/26/26 at 3:14 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
So what about not withdrawing from the Draft?
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