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re: Pure pocket passing QB is a dinosaur in CFB

Posted on 10/27/24 at 3:20 pm to
Posted by DBG
vermont
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Posted on 10/27/24 at 3:20 pm to
People think Stetson Bennett was Drew Bledsoe
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Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 10/27/24 at 3:36 pm to
Dude ran for 10tds in 22’
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Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 10/27/24 at 3:39 pm to
there is no such thing as a pure cover passer.

give Oayton Mannjnf the 4 yards he needs on a roll out he’ll take it.

Nuss thinks he can make every throw. even dumb ones.

And the problem is, he fricking can’t. He no only makes dumb decisions, but often it’s a bad throw too.
Posted by ItNeverRains
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Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 10/27/24 at 7:26 pm to
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Running for 17 yards per game like the ones you mentioned doesn’t make someone a dual threat


Reading comprehension. It’s not for everyone.
Posted by Fat Bastard
2024 NFL pick'em champion
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 10/27/24 at 7:38 pm to
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Not many scrambles or keepers on the read option.




we are not even doing a ZONE READ

those are RPOs. if they were zone reads nuss would be pulling and running plenty

read this thread
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Posted by nugget
Abrego Garcia Fan
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 10/27/24 at 7:43 pm to
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Dude ran for 10tds in 22’


He averaged 13 yards per game. Rushing TDs for QBs are often sneaks. That doesn’t make someone DT. He’ll Brady had 28 career rushing TDs.

For someone that lives his life for football, you think you’d accidentally pick up on some stuff.
Posted by 33inNC
Charlotte, NC
Member since Mar 2011
6184 posts
Posted on 10/27/24 at 7:46 pm to
No, there are some zone reads or read options in there too. Do you even watch the games?

I know the difference between an RPO and Zone Read. I do question when a Zone Read is even called, since he never keeps and the D knows it.
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
9397 posts
Posted on 10/27/24 at 7:51 pm to
I don’t think it’s a dinosaur. It’s more that a pure pocket passing offense has to be more sophisticated than transfer portal NIL free agency allows.

Regardless some of the most club footed QBs would still occasionally run when nothing else available. In big games they also might try to do more than just angle towards the sideline during those runs.
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 10/27/24 at 7:59 pm to
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Nuss is mobile enough to pick up yards when the play breaks down. He just rarely chooses to take off.
he was limping again last night.

I can recall him limping in at least 4 other games, and I can't swear he didn't limp in the others.

2 things come into play here-
1, I think he's hurt. Not horribly bad, but like Les would say, he's got a nick.

2, we're fricked if he goes down. Forget what Kelly said at halftime, it's Nuss or bust at qb. And we can't lean on the run, it has to be him.

Both of those factors would suggest he shouldn't run and take hits.
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 10/27/24 at 8:05 pm to
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Both of those factors would suggest he shouldn't run and take hits.


bullshite

loser excuse

then we are not playing to win.

if he gets hurt next man up

play to win.

we cannot keep playing handicapped.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 10/27/24 at 8:09 pm to
Surely you know they subtract sack yardage from rushing totals in college huh? Yea, I’m sure you definitely knew that

A guy who has 10 tds and a 5.3ypc is just running sneaks. Those 5yard QB sneaks are a beautiful thing that’s for sure
Posted by Folsom
Folsom
Member since Mar 2006
3550 posts
Posted on 10/27/24 at 8:16 pm to
“ 5 out of the last 6 national champ QBs were pocket passers. But yeah genius pocket passers are totally dead.”

Define “pocket quarterback “ , Mr. Wizard . Everyone of those quarterbacks ran more than only 1 time per game unlike Nus does.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
107944 posts
Posted on 10/27/24 at 8:22 pm to
The term dual threat or pocket passer doesn’t matter

If your qb isn’t giving you 3 to 4 extra first downs a game by tucking and running you are likely fricked
Posted by QB
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2013
7567 posts
Posted on 10/27/24 at 8:30 pm to
If I remember correctly, the longest run in the game and for a 1st down on 3rd and long was done by NUSS. We had 24 yards for the game rushing and Nuss had at least 15 on that one run....an important run at the time.
We should realize that Nuss is most likely told to not run much at all because if he goes down, we are really in trouble.
Posted by rbm1
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2011
603 posts
Posted on 10/27/24 at 8:33 pm to
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He refuses to scramble even when the field is wide open in front of him.


Nuss first INT was from your desire to scramble. Our defense finally placed a spy on Reed and he got nothing after that defensive move.

Running QB's don't succeed long-term because they think run 1st and usually get hurt. Running QB's used to be an easy alternative to turn to in college because defenses didn't know how to defend against them. But today just place a spy on them and then they are forced to be a pocket passer!
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
22771 posts
Posted on 10/27/24 at 8:35 pm to
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bullshite

loser excuse

then we are not playing to win.

if he gets hurt next man up

play to win.

we cannot keep playing handicapped.
That sounds cool and all
"Next man up, rah rah"

This is a team (offense) built completely around Nussmeier. Offensive line- sucks at run blocking, but damn they can keep the pocket clean.

Running game is entirely incidental, designed to exploit holes caused by the pass rush. There is zero power game.

Pass routes are 15, 20 yds downfield, because he can easily hit those.

We don't have another QB that can operate in that, Swann doesn't have the arm, and I don't think the others can run a passing offense. You play to keep him in the game, and with the new playoff format, you play to keep him in the lineup until we're eliminated. People piss and moan, but we're still in the thick of things.

Even limping around, Nuss gives you a puncher's chance against anyone on the schedule.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78114 posts
Posted on 10/27/24 at 8:35 pm to
I feel like calling him a pocket passer doesn’t really use dirt the issue

we’ve seen Nuss scramble and pass on the move and be mobile.

He just doesn’t tuck and run.

But the issue is sometimes he throws fricking dumb passes. and not just dumb passes but bad ones.
Posted by cbree88
South Louisiana
Member since Feb 2010
9582 posts
Posted on 10/27/24 at 8:54 pm to
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Nuss first INT was from your desire to scramble. Our defense finally placed a spy on Reed and he got nothing after that defensive move.


No, it came from forcing passes when nothing is there. That’s the complete opposite of what I’m saying to do.

What I want is for him to run and pick up a first down when the receivers are covered and the field is wide open in front of him.
Posted by rbm1
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2011
603 posts
Posted on 11/9/24 at 2:32 am to
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What I want is for him to run and pick up a first down when the receivers are covered and the field is wide open in front of him.


What you see as covered doesn't mean it's true. As a pocket passer he can go run but why when he can pass further that he can run?
Posted by RightWingTiger
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2003
5835 posts
Posted on 11/9/24 at 3:12 am to
Wow you are so tough! I bet Nuss is really SCARED.
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