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re: Please explain why you thought Pelini was a good hire
Posted on 11/6/20 at 7:57 am to St Jean The Baptiste
Posted on 11/6/20 at 7:57 am to St Jean The Baptiste
People who know him and football Better than I ever will thought he was home run. If I would have not liked him and he turned out shite, it woulda been nothing more than a lucky guess. He had a seemingly endless list of recommendations.
Posted on 11/6/20 at 7:58 am to St Jean The Baptiste
Stability.
1) I believe players make coaches more than coaches make players.
2) I don’t think coaches forget how to coach. They usually fade when they don’t have as much talent. (See Andy Reid, Bill Belichick, Dick vermeil, Pete carol, John Gruden, etc)
3) I don’t think anyone thought the talent at line backer and safety would be this bad Not would we be playing without Vincent, shelvin, ika, and starting a true freshman qb. If you remember last year, Harris and delpit was not playing well fo about 10 games. Our defense didn’t get it together for 10 games. So you take the best players off that defense and you think it will be better? Wrong.
I know what O was trying to do. He didn’t want to have a revolving door of coaches. He’s trying to model his staff more like Clemson than Alabama. One of stability. Has it worked this year? Obviously not.
1) I believe players make coaches more than coaches make players.
2) I don’t think coaches forget how to coach. They usually fade when they don’t have as much talent. (See Andy Reid, Bill Belichick, Dick vermeil, Pete carol, John Gruden, etc)
3) I don’t think anyone thought the talent at line backer and safety would be this bad Not would we be playing without Vincent, shelvin, ika, and starting a true freshman qb. If you remember last year, Harris and delpit was not playing well fo about 10 games. Our defense didn’t get it together for 10 games. So you take the best players off that defense and you think it will be better? Wrong.
I know what O was trying to do. He didn’t want to have a revolving door of coaches. He’s trying to model his staff more like Clemson than Alabama. One of stability. Has it worked this year? Obviously not.
Posted on 11/6/20 at 8:06 am to SFVtiger
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Liked his defenses when he was here. Coach O wanted him. I'm usually optimistic. Didn't have the benefit of hindsight to criticize.
This...he was known as aggressive D coach, and I thought LSU had the horses to run his system. Was optimistic it would be a good fit.
Posted on 11/6/20 at 8:12 am to dos crystal
All of this. And a lot of coaches, especially in college, speak to how much their talent makes them great. Jimmy and Joe's and all that... talent erases alot of issues. Its clear watching speed, strength, basic stuff, were lacking this year.
Agree cant just lose your top flight senior dt, fs, and depth and expect the guys behind to play like a 350 lb fridge that can move, and suddenly run 4.3 40's like kary.
Agree cant just lose your top flight senior dt, fs, and depth and expect the guys behind to play like a 350 lb fridge that can move, and suddenly run 4.3 40's like kary.
Posted on 11/6/20 at 8:29 am to St Jean The Baptiste
I honestly thought he would be pretty good. I wasn’t excited about getting him but thought it was a solid move. The contract even at the time is what pissed me off. There was no reason to pay him Aranda money just because we were already paying it. Should have been about half that.
The good news is it shouldn’t be hard to attract a good younger DC now. They will get credit for “fixing” the disaster and I think/hope O had again learned he needs to hire the best candidate and not just someone he likes personally.
The good news is it shouldn’t be hard to attract a good younger DC now. They will get credit for “fixing” the disaster and I think/hope O had again learned he needs to hire the best candidate and not just someone he likes personally.
Posted on 11/6/20 at 8:32 am to St Jean The Baptiste
An ATTACKING defense designed by the fabled Bo Pelini!
Posted on 11/6/20 at 8:35 am to dos crystal
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I know what O was trying to do. He didn’t want to have a revolving door of coaches. He’s trying to model his staff more like Clemson than Alabama. One of stability. Has it worked this year? Obviously not.
This was one of the reasons that I didn’t like the hire. It’s at the point where the horse has been beaten to mush. His hires, besides Joe Brady, have been subpar from a coaching standpoint. Championship coaches deal with coaching changes and Clemson seems to be the outlier.
I was intrigued by some of the names being floated around like Bob Shoop. His defenses played well against us and Alabama considering that he overall had less talent and no offense to help. We got to see it perform recently in the SEC too. Does it mean Bob would be better for the job? No, not necessarily. Just hadn’t seen/heard of Pelini for the last few years to know how his defense would perform against modern offenses. And Ed’s hires of Sullivan, Joseph, Ensminger, Cregg, Johnson and Linehan didn’t help to inspire confidence in that decision.
Posted on 11/6/20 at 8:36 am to St Jean The Baptiste
I didn’t
Want a different scheme? Fine. But it was a lazy uninspiring hire.
Want a different scheme? Fine. But it was a lazy uninspiring hire.
Posted on 11/6/20 at 8:40 am to S
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Want a different scheme? Fine. But it was a lazy uninspiring hire.
New pussy has made up all do stupid things
Posted on 11/6/20 at 8:57 am to St Jean The Baptiste
How about you mind your own fricking business.
Go look at old threads if you really want to know. But you don’t, you just want to whine like a bitch.
Go look at old threads if you really want to know. But you don’t, you just want to whine like a bitch.
Posted on 11/6/20 at 8:58 am to St Jean The Baptiste
I was worried, expectant that the D would be "good" with potential to be a little bit better than good (less than "very good"). Reasons why I thought that:
- DL with Shelvin would be extremely stout against the run and we would be disruptive behind the LoS
- Bo's experience, years worth
- Stingley would shut down their best WR and the rest would play zone with a good cover LB in Cox and Flott+Ricks covering lots and lots of ground.
- If the DL was disruptive the S's had an easier job back away from the LoS and we wouldn't be reliant on what I thought was going to be the weakest link in LBs in runs stoppage and short passing game (because S's were free).
He's in a box now. Can't use Stingley to his full potential (or now that we've seen Ricks in games him either) because had to simplify the defense to overcome bad gap discipline and back end assignments/positioning. That simplification was an absolute necessity because the players didn't get coached up on scheme and assignments. And that's on Bo. And don't tell me about the spring; the season was delayed almost as much as spring camp was erased, with permission to practice. There is little net loss in time. Some, but not enough to explain this.
- DL with Shelvin would be extremely stout against the run and we would be disruptive behind the LoS
- Bo's experience, years worth
- Stingley would shut down their best WR and the rest would play zone with a good cover LB in Cox and Flott+Ricks covering lots and lots of ground.
- If the DL was disruptive the S's had an easier job back away from the LoS and we wouldn't be reliant on what I thought was going to be the weakest link in LBs in runs stoppage and short passing game (because S's were free).
He's in a box now. Can't use Stingley to his full potential (or now that we've seen Ricks in games him either) because had to simplify the defense to overcome bad gap discipline and back end assignments/positioning. That simplification was an absolute necessity because the players didn't get coached up on scheme and assignments. And that's on Bo. And don't tell me about the spring; the season was delayed almost as much as spring camp was erased, with permission to practice. There is little net loss in time. Some, but not enough to explain this.
Posted on 11/6/20 at 9:03 am to St Jean The Baptiste
I thought he performed well here. I thought we had a decent chance with Shelvin to have a couple good tackles, I thought we were good to great at end.....I also thought Clark and Cox would actually play linebacker. I thought Flott and Ward were better than they have shown so far. I thought Harris may actually play better than Delpit.
I thought Bo did a good job at Nebraska. I dont know much about Youngstown.
I had no concept he would fail to coach, fail to gameplan, fail at every possible aspect of the job.
I thought Bo did a good job at Nebraska. I dont know much about Youngstown.
I had no concept he would fail to coach, fail to gameplan, fail at every possible aspect of the job.
Posted on 11/6/20 at 9:04 am to St Jean The Baptiste
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There were a lot of you in January who thought Pelini would be a good hire and were excited about a guy who was great 13 years ago, but hasn’t had any success since then. My question to you is what made you think this was a good idea?
He had the #1 Defense in the country in 2009
#10 in 2010
He’s a good DV with elite DL talent. I dont Think his Xs and Os will
Blow anyone away.
Posted on 11/6/20 at 9:04 am to tgdk11
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not 20 lbs over weight farrell and logan
I was thinking about this the other day. I kinda get Farrell, because he opted out and was away from the team for conditioning, nutrition, etc.
But so much was made of Logan becoming a better player because he lost weight a couple years ago, and now he's listed at 339 lbs. Which is 30 pounds more than his listed weight in 2019. How the hell did that happen? it's his money year.
Posted on 11/6/20 at 9:09 am to St Jean The Baptiste
2006 - 2008 top 10 defenses
Posted on 11/6/20 at 9:14 am to St Jean The Baptiste
Ahh yes, the revisionist history thread. The rant is alive and well!
Posted on 11/6/20 at 9:17 am to St Jean The Baptiste
A lot of us were pissed by it, I think most people were or it was at least a 50/50 split
Posted on 11/6/20 at 9:22 am to St Jean The Baptiste
I admit, I thought he was a good hire. He had success when he was here before. We won the National Championship with him in 2007. He knows the 4-3 defense which is what O wanted. I don't know who we could have hired who would have come with a better resume.
His problems at Nebraska did not stem from a lack of ability to teach defense. They mostly stemmed from his abrasive personality, which brings me to my biggest concern about him. He likes th berate his players and yell and scream at them. That may have worked 25 years ago, but that style won't fly in this day and age.
I was optimistic at the tome. I am very surprised that it worked out as it did.
His problems at Nebraska did not stem from a lack of ability to teach defense. They mostly stemmed from his abrasive personality, which brings me to my biggest concern about him. He likes th berate his players and yell and scream at them. That may have worked 25 years ago, but that style won't fly in this day and age.
I was optimistic at the tome. I am very surprised that it worked out as it did.
Posted on 11/6/20 at 9:45 am to St Jean The Baptiste
Hated the hire from the beginning. We took a step forward into the modern age on offense and threw ourselves in a time machine going back to the past on defense.
Posted on 11/6/20 at 12:47 pm to St Jean The Baptiste
I haven’t completely given up on him. I actually think firing him after this season would be a bad idea. You lose more players from last year than you have scholarships to replace them, some key players opt out, you have a boat load of freshmen playing this year and you’re installing a defense that may not necessarily fit the current personnel. I’m not making excuses, because what we have seen so far is just flat out bad. BUT, one surefire way to set back a program is disrupting continuity. You have to give him some time. If things aren’t better next year, then you need obviously need to make a change.
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