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re: Phil Simms scouts Burrow
Posted on 1/19/20 at 5:55 am to sandraccoon
Posted on 1/19/20 at 5:55 am to sandraccoon
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Phil Simms "Joe Burrow doesn't have an elite arm". I turned it off as soon as that was said.
That's not a bad comment. Joe Montana didn't. Drew Brees doesn't. Big deal; he has virtually everything else.
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Posted on 1/19/20 at 5:56 am to Powerman
quote:
Calm down shorty. One of the few times I agree but check the blood pressure
This is what happens when you don't feel well the night before, go to bed early, and then wake up after 11 hours of sleep and are the only one awake in the house!
Posted on 1/19/20 at 5:59 am to ShortyRob
Believe me if you knew about my life decisions tonight you'd feel like you won the superbowl
Posted on 1/19/20 at 7:06 am to SouthdownsTiger4178
quote:The ABSOLUTE strongest arm in football is Cardale Jones. He's playing in the XFL
Who has elite arm strenth? Just for the sake argument.
Posted on 1/19/20 at 7:19 am to FAP SAM
quote:
"Joe Burrow doesn't have an elite arm". I turned it off as soon as that was said
Umm...he doesn't. But accuracy>>>arm strength
He didn't say "he doesn't have elite arm strength"
He said "arm" which includes accuracy and frankly he's wrong on both counts, we saw Joey sling dimes 60, 70 yards down field, sometimes on the run, that's fricking elite no matter how you shake it
This post was edited on 1/19/20 at 7:21 am
Posted on 1/19/20 at 7:20 am to Jim Rockford
quote:
and it's arguably true.
It’s not “arguably” true; it IS true. Anyone who thinks Burrow has an elite arm, by NFL standards, is a fool. It’s a little below average. His accuracy is good, not great. What makes Joe great is his evasiveness in the pocket and his decision making. His arm is good enough to make him deadly when combined with those elite traits. Burrow’s skill set - shortcomings and strengths - are about the same as Joe Montana’s and differs from Brees only in height (and Brees was more accurate).
Posted on 1/19/20 at 7:23 am to Jim Rockford
Phill Simms was a good pro qb. He did not hv elite arm.
Posted on 1/19/20 at 7:40 am to Jim Rockford
Phil Simms, as usual, is full of shite.
Joe broke almost every meaningful QB record in college football. And he did it against perhaps the toughest schedule ever played by a National Championship team.
Simms is a career 55% passer. Don't care what that guy imagines to constitute an "elite" QB.
"The proof is in the pudding." Joe is the real deal. Simms and his kid are Jelly.
Joe broke almost every meaningful QB record in college football. And he did it against perhaps the toughest schedule ever played by a National Championship team.
Simms is a career 55% passer. Don't care what that guy imagines to constitute an "elite" QB.
"The proof is in the pudding." Joe is the real deal. Simms and his kid are Jelly.
Posted on 1/19/20 at 7:53 am to More&Les
quote:
He didn't say "he doesn't have elite arm strength"
When someone says "elite arm", "arm strength" is implied
quote:Link? 70yd completions does not mean 70yd throws
60, 70 yards down field
Look man its ok to say Joey B doesn't have an ultra strong arm because it's true. That doesn't mean he's not a great QB
Posted on 1/19/20 at 8:10 am to Buckeye Jeaux
quote:You clearly didn't listen because he pretty much loves everything about Burrow.
Phil Simms, as usual, is full of shite.
Jesus Christ, you people have comprehension issues
Posted on 1/19/20 at 8:11 am to Jim Rockford
Football IQ and accuracy are necessary and most important to be a great NFL QB.
Turnovers (interceptions) lose games in the NFL.
Incomplete passes to open WR on third down is close to being a turnover.
The best QBs are so accurate that they complete passes to WRs that are covered.
That’s what Joe Burrow can do.
Turnovers (interceptions) lose games in the NFL.
Incomplete passes to open WR on third down is close to being a turnover.
The best QBs are so accurate that they complete passes to WRs that are covered.
That’s what Joe Burrow can do.
Posted on 1/19/20 at 8:16 am to sandraccoon
It's true when you thinkn in NFL terms. Joe Montana, Drew Brees, and Steve Young didn't either. Joe will have a good career if he keeps reading defenses the way he did this year.
Posted on 1/19/20 at 8:26 am to ShortyRob
quote:What?
You clearly didn't listen because he pretty much loves everything about Burrow.
I don't care how Simms sugar coats it. Simms clearly said that Joe, "doesn't have an elite arm."
Phil is stuck in the pro-set, under center, three-five-seven step drop-back days.
Burrow's skillset is the Gold Standard in today's up-tempo Spread/RPO offense. An "elite QB" skillset in 2020 is very different from an "elite QB" skillset in 1980.
This post was edited on 1/19/20 at 8:30 am
Posted on 1/19/20 at 8:40 am to Jim Rockford
Here are the qbs I can recall that were considered to have elite arm strength when they were drafted:
Bradshaw
Elway (won at the twilight of his career - arm strength had deteriorated)
Favre
I might have missed one or two but it's pretty far down the list of super bowl winning attributes.
Bradshaw
Elway (won at the twilight of his career - arm strength had deteriorated)
Favre
I might have missed one or two but it's pretty far down the list of super bowl winning attributes.
This post was edited on 1/19/20 at 8:49 am
Posted on 1/19/20 at 8:46 am to sandraccoon
It’s true, but it is strong enough to be successful.
Posted on 1/19/20 at 8:46 am to pilsnerpusher
quote:No. Not Unitas. Pittsburgh HC Walt Kiesling cut Unitas in 1955 because he, "was too dumb and didn't have a pro arm".
Here are the qbs I can recall that were considered to have elite arm strength when they were drafted:
Unitas almost always threw with touch. Almost never threw bullets.
Posted on 1/19/20 at 8:48 am to Buckeye Jeaux
Proves my point even better. I'll strike him from the list
Posted on 1/19/20 at 8:49 am to sandraccoon
quote:its kinda like saying Jordan couldn't shoot 3's. true, but more or less irrelevant. Jordan might not hit that 3 at the buzzer, but he was up by 20 at that point so it didnt really matter.
Phil Simms "Joe Burrow doesn't have an elite arm". I turned it off as soon as that was said.
Thats Burrow. He has an arm like Montana and Brady, he makes every pass he needs to.
like him or not, Sunshine has a fukking arm like the Winter Soldier, and because of that, and his height, he can throw a 40 yard pass like others throw a 10, he can drive the ball down the field, it will start at 7 feet high and hit the WR at 5 feet.
OR... it'll sail over the WRs head and rocket into the stands.
when TL does the first one its impressive as hell, no shame in admitting that.
Burrow wont do either of those. He'll just hit the guy in stride some other way, or find the WR that doesn't need that bullet pass, because there's no one way to do this.
people fall in love with Sunshine because he really can make throws that others, including good NFL QBs, simply cannot, but so can guys in trick shot videos on youtube. if all you needed was a golden arm JaMarcus would be in the Hall.
This post was edited on 1/19/20 at 8:53 am
Posted on 1/19/20 at 8:50 am to Buckeye Jeaux
Arm strength is among the last things scouts look for in a NFL QB. Sure you have to have a certain level of arm strength but if you play at this level and have this success you are plenty strong enough for the NFL.
Posted on 1/19/20 at 8:50 am to ShortyRob
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How the frick do you people actually know what they mean when talking arm strength?
I’ve watched Joe Burrow throw 40 plus scrambling left and throwing back across the field and hit receivers in stride multiple times.
That you stupid frick is arm strength. Not 70 yards standing in the pocket. That is a fricking Hail Mary.
If “elite” is strictly distance than this league is full of second string elite quarterbacks.
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