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Swampcat
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re: Phil Simms scouts Burrow
They said the same thing about Joe Montana and Tom Brady:(


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Swampcat
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re: Phil Simms scouts Burrow
Forgot they said the same thing about Johnny U! As well.


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RogerTheShrubber
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re: Phil Simms scouts Burrow
Not elite, but strong enough.


DownSouthCrawfish
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re: Phil Simms scouts Burrow
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Not elite, but strong enough.
Yep. People always think when someone says a qb doesn't have elite arm strength that it's a bad thing. It just means you don't have an absolute cannon where you can flick your wrist and throw the ball 70yds.


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ShortyRob
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Not 70 yards standing in the pocket. That is a fricking Hail Mary.

If “elite” is strictly distance than this league

In this very thread, I literally said that am strength isn't about distance.

It's more about velocity. Hell the post you responded to gave an example illustrating that but none of you frickerd read past where you want to respond


JYD
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re: Phil Simms scouts Burrow
Another QB that didn’t have an ‘elite arm’ = Joe Montana


Swampcat
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re: Phil Simms scouts Burrow
Actually joe Montana had a great arm. I saw him play in person, he was more about timing, as is Joe Burrow. Usually the qbs many times with the huge arm are not very cerebral. Read coverages late but make up for it with arm strength. Bret Farve was an example of this; he owns the record for most interceptions. Aaron Rodgers is an example of a big arm qb but us extremely cerebral and can make all the throws in my opinion.


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Eman5805
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re: Phil Simms scouts Burrow
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Phil Simms "Joe Burrow doesn't have an elite arm". I turned it off as soon as that was said.



I mean...he doesn't. But the thing with it, like elite speed, is it pointing that out as a negative is taken to imply he has a weak arm. Burrow's arm is strong enough to make every single throw comfortably. But he's not Jamarcus Russell, Pat Mahomes, 70 yards through the air with a flick of the wrist from his knees or whatever.

Probably can do 50 yards. Which would still be impressive. And he can put plenty of fire on the ball to get it into a tight closing window.
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plazadweller
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re: Phil Simms scouts Burrow
He has incredible arm talent. He may not be Jemarcus in arm strength, but you don’t have to be to win Super Bowls. Being able to fit the ball in tight spaces (accuracy) followed by decision making are the 2 most important measurables in the NFL.


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Nix to Twillie
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re: Phil Simms scouts Burrow
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have watched a QB make every pass down the field with ease all season and we are saying he doesn't have elite arm strength?


Yes. So?


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yallallcrazy
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elite” is strictly distance than this league is full of second string elite quarterbacks.


I think this is what everyone pissed at Simms is missing. Elite arm strength means just that - elite. Doesn’t mean ‘good enough’, doesn’t mean ‘NFL quality’. Means ‘elite’, as in only a few even within the subset of the best football arms in the world - NFL QBs - have it. Guys like George, Elway, Favre, maybe Stafford.

It is not an insult in any way, and has little bearing on potential success. It simply means his arm strength isn’t in that small top percent of even NFL arms, I.e. ‘elite’


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Buckeye Jeaux
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It's more about velocity. Hell the post you responded to gave an example illustrating that but none of you frickerd read past where you want to respond
It is rare that a QB NEEDS to throw with velocity.

And the objective of a QB is to compile the most Wins, yards, TDs, and highest completion percentage possible. Not prove how HARD he can throw a damn ball!
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TutHillTiger
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re: Phil Simms scouts Burrow
And he left Drew Brees off the 100 year team for terry bradshaw. FH


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Scoob
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Here are the qbs I can recall that were considered to have elite arm strength when they were drafted:

Bradshaw

Elway (won at the twilight of his career - arm strength had deteriorated)

Favre

I might have missed one or two but it's pretty far down the list of super bowl winning attributes.

Kurt Warner, Dan Marino, Randall Cunningham, Jeff George... just to name a few more.

Peyton Manning I think too.
Just ran across this...

Kurt Warner wasn't drafted, he was a free agent. His biggest attribute was honed in Arena football, hitting targets inside the hashmarks in tight windows. Everything else is literally OOB in Arena ball.

Dan Marino didn't have "elite" arm strength. His arm was strong enough, and he put the ball on target with touch. Go watch replays of the QB challenge, he hit moving bullseyes at 50 yds. They weren't lasers, but they hit the 10 ring.
Cunningham and George had cannons.

Manning absolutely didn't. He never threw a ball harder than it needed to be.

When you're talking "elite arm", you are talking the old FROZEN ROPE pass. Mett had that.


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KiwiHead
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re: Phil Simms scouts Burrow
Montana had a good arm just like Brady does. They don't have great arms....you don't need strength like JaMarcus, you need accuracy and intelligence.....and a manageable weight


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clamdip
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re: Phil Simms scouts Burrow
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Who has elite arm strenth? Just for the sake argument.
guys like Favre, Rodgers, Jeff George, Warren Moon, Kerry Collins, Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russell. As you can see, it's a poor indicator of greatness at the NFL level. Meanwhile, you have HOFers like Brees, Montana, Brady with average at best NFL arm strength.


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