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re: PFF: Bo stuck to his guns too long, allowing State to rewrite record books
Posted on 9/28/20 at 1:15 pm to bstew3006
Posted on 9/28/20 at 1:15 pm to bstew3006
I agree That something needed to change but at the same time change doesn’t mean better
People forget they had just an enormous number of possessions.
Half of them the defense played well.
Half they sucked.
It’s not like it was never working.
People forget they had just an enormous number of possessions.
Half of them the defense played well.
Half they sucked.
It’s not like it was never working.
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Posted on 9/28/20 at 1:16 pm to moneyg
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They didn't think they could execute zone with the personnel they had on the field.
If you want to point criticism, that's where it lies...being unprepared.
I don't disagree, and I wonder how much the fact that we've got a new DC running a new scheme and who has only been face-to-face with his players for a few weeks might be a factor. Maybe they haven't had time to install Bo's zone concepts yet, especially if he relies primarily on man coverage. That MIGHT account for the fact that they "didn't adjust" at halftime. Maybe all those new players don't know enough about zone defense yet to switch to it.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 1:24 pm to BilJ
Maybe O was insecure about Aranda? Seems that way.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 1:28 pm to FreddieMac
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LSU fans are being completely stupid right now.
I don't know how you can read that article and think LSU fans are being stupid. Bo played the exact defense the Mike Leach was hoping he would because he knew he could take him to cleaners if he played man Cover 2 or Cover 1.
ETA: This article just makes Bo look like a complete dumbass who has no idea what he is doing.
This post was edited on 9/28/20 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 9/28/20 at 1:59 pm to S
He didn't have to go zone every play. Just throw it in there every once in a while and keep Costello on his toes. Hell, you don't even have to go zone across the board. Just drop a backer in the middle of the field every once in a while to take the crossing route away.
We did none of that. Costello knew every time he stepped to the line he was getting man coverage across the board. With that scheme and a QB that knows how to run it, he knew exactly where to go every single play.
Bo's hubris that our strength is better than your strength is what cost us. Very Miles-esque.
We did none of that. Costello knew every time he stepped to the line he was getting man coverage across the board. With that scheme and a QB that knows how to run it, he knew exactly where to go every single play.
Bo's hubris that our strength is better than your strength is what cost us. Very Miles-esque.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 2:03 pm to ecb
might have been since he was basically forced on O as a contingent for getting the job and the amount of power he had on that side of the ball
O may not have disliked Dave the person but he definitely always seem to resent him a bit, could have just been philosophical differences
O may not have disliked Dave the person but he definitely always seem to resent him a bit, could have just been philosophical differences
Posted on 9/28/20 at 2:03 pm to UpToPar
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didn't have to go zone every play. Just throw it in there every once in a while and keep Costello on his toes. Hell, you don't even have to go zone across the board. Just drop a backer in the middle of the field every once in a while to take the crossing route away.
This.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 2:04 pm to ecb
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Maybe O was insecure about Aranda? Seems that way.
He's a defensive line guy, he never liked the 3-4 as no defensive lineman really does, especially 2 gap 3-4 where the Dlinemen are there to eat multiple blocks as much as they can.
Really no secret, but it's not like he was ever going to just fire Aranda or let him get away for another DC gig or something, he was too good for that to happen. He simply brought in what he wanted to see, a more aggressive 4-3 man defense, unfortunately, that's one of the worst defense you can run against Leach's air raid, and honestly not sure what Washington film vs. Wazzu they DIDN'T study as they routinely embarassed Leach's offense the last several years in zone coverage rushing only 3 or 4 with no blitzing.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 2:06 pm to S
He never changed his guns...
Posted on 9/28/20 at 2:06 pm to Cs
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So...Coach O meddled in the defense?
If hiring Pelini is meddling...then....yes.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 2:39 pm to Lester Earl
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they win the game if Stingley plays
LSU was what? A 17-point favorite?
If stigley plays, then we squeak out a win possibly, but we still would have seen the same issues. Instead of 600 yards we would have given up 450 or so with a lot of big plays.
Then would be in the classic les miles debate, where fans ignore structural issues during ugly wins that shouldn't be that ugly, claiming the win is all that matters when making adjustments to scheme and philosophy.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 2:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
That’s quite a reach Jake, considering this regime has seen ugly losses & corrected issues. I’d much rather be exposed & win than lose. Don’t care what the point spread was. That’s not something I’m leaning on in week 1 after this offseason. No one knew anything.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 2:54 pm to Lester Earl
We have historically been pretty good bouncing back with a W
2017: Beat Syracuse after state
Beat UF after Troy
Beat arky after Bama
2018: Beat Uga after UF
Beat arky after bama
Beat UCF after tamu
Im actually excited to see just how good/bad we are vs vandy
Should be a good litmus test
2017: Beat Syracuse after state
Beat UF after Troy
Beat arky after Bama
2018: Beat Uga after UF
Beat arky after bama
Beat UCF after tamu
Im actually excited to see just how good/bad we are vs vandy
Should be a good litmus test
This post was edited on 9/28/20 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 9/28/20 at 2:57 pm to Lester Earl
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& corrected issues
It took half of 16 and all of 17 and 18 to correct our offensive issues, and then we failed to maintain that correction and reverted in one off season
We went from O selling this as a reload situation to a rebuilding situation when he failed initially, and now fans are already calling for the rebuilding designation again, after celebrating him allegedly reloading our roster like Miles could not. So that wasn't corrected either apparently.
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I’d much rather be exposed & win than lose.
After this kept miles around for years and years after his expiration date?
You're not concerned that o has already regressed in his alleged philosophical advancement? You said he's taking steps to fix things, but that was basically Joe Brady, and now Brady has been replaced by a regression, and we lost Aranda and replaced him with a very likely regression.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 2:58 pm to S
People are going to struggle to gain perspective after last year. We are going to see some wild shite on here in the coming weeks
Posted on 9/28/20 at 2:58 pm to Fun Bunch
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My guess is this wasn't only on Bo...
Ed hated Aranda's Zone and wanted something more aggressive. I'm betting he didn't want to switch to Zone because of this. He wanted to prove his approach has validity.
Remind you of anyone?
Posted on 9/28/20 at 3:01 pm to S
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Im actually excited to see just how good/bad we are vs vandy
I don't think we're bad (like we'll have a three to four-loss season), but that game and our off-season moves are not very good for the projection of LSU maintaining as an elite football program every year.
The scary part is that Joe Burrow may be the only reason why O has a job and why we won last year. So the worry is that if we can't find another transfer quarterback who has already been developed by another program, who also has two years of eligibility so the first year we waste can be corrected in the second by a hail Mary hiring, then we have no chance of winning the SEC
Posted on 9/28/20 at 3:01 pm to CalTiger53
Agreed outside of stingley we don’t really have any burners at the corner position. Even Elias ricks who I’m extremely high on is more of a 4.5 guy as opposite to a 4.3 guy or 4.4 guy
Posted on 9/28/20 at 3:02 pm to Lester Earl
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People are going to struggle to gain perspective after last year.
Last year was supposed to be the year where we said we are on Alabama's level
Now, we're saying that we're rebuilding?
Posted on 9/28/20 at 3:02 pm to S
It was clear to me that the man to man scheme was not working yet we stayed with it.
An high level pass defense requires the ability to play man and zone and be able to disguise the 2.
We just went man all day and got lit up.
Missing one player should not have cost us that much ground.
It’s concerning
An high level pass defense requires the ability to play man and zone and be able to disguise the 2.
We just went man all day and got lit up.
Missing one player should not have cost us that much ground.
It’s concerning
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