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re: Per LSUsports.net, Eric Walker to miss 2018
Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:42 pm to Adam Banks
Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:42 pm to Adam Banks
quote:Uh, pot meet kettle?
I'm glad you think you're Smaple size of 1 anecdotal evidence means every single ucl injury gets surgery
My only claim is that you are full of shite. Because you have zero info to go on other than there was a possible injury prior to the game he started. If you believe he had soreness based on what LSU was saying, then you have to keep believing what LSU was saying right? That he was 100%. You can't just choose the one that suits you.
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Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:51 pm to southernelite
This sucks, but not unexpected.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:51 pm to ell_13
I probably without a doubt have at least a partial tear. I was throwing curve balls by the age of 10. I also played baseball nearly every single day with a damn tennis ball with friends. By the end of high school my elbow was starting to feel the pain, but nothing major.
I messed around playing softball and stuff some after and I would have noticeable pain (not bad pain) every time I would throw a decent amount.
My breaking point was throwing batting practice for a little league team. I threw probably 20 balls per batter to 12 kids, so around 200 throws. My elbow was hurting, but nothing out of the ordinary. I then went to hit to the team for in/out and my first swing of the bat I hit a fly ball to the outfield and felt a bad shock in my arm. It caused the bat to drop out of my hand, and I was done. Have only thrown a few times since then and every single time the pain comes back. It comes when I work out, do push ups, etc now...any time that I put a lot of stress on my elbow.
Point being......this was likely a case of Walker needing to have the surgery eventually, sometimes in the near future, no matter what. If he didn't pitch in the CWS, then next time he started picking up a ball and throwing regularly again, the issues were going to resurface until he had TJ surgery.
I messed around playing softball and stuff some after and I would have noticeable pain (not bad pain) every time I would throw a decent amount.
My breaking point was throwing batting practice for a little league team. I threw probably 20 balls per batter to 12 kids, so around 200 throws. My elbow was hurting, but nothing out of the ordinary. I then went to hit to the team for in/out and my first swing of the bat I hit a fly ball to the outfield and felt a bad shock in my arm. It caused the bat to drop out of my hand, and I was done. Have only thrown a few times since then and every single time the pain comes back. It comes when I work out, do push ups, etc now...any time that I put a lot of stress on my elbow.
Point being......this was likely a case of Walker needing to have the surgery eventually, sometimes in the near future, no matter what. If he didn't pitch in the CWS, then next time he started picking up a ball and throwing regularly again, the issues were going to resurface until he had TJ surgery.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:53 pm to southernelite
damnit to hell
Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:58 pm to ell_13
quote:
Uh, pot meet kettle? My only claim is that you are full of shite. Because you have zero info to go on other than there was a possible injury prior to the game he started. If you believe he had soreness based on what LSU was saying, then you have to keep believing what LSU was saying right? That he was 100%. You can't just choose the one that suits you.
I have standard of care and hell even your own story on my side. You first orthopaedist read the scan as low grade and initially tried non surgical management.
My point is we don't know the extent of his initial injury because pulmonary selfishly rolled the dice rather than have him seek a more thourough evaluation.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 1:00 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
quote:
Point being......this was likely a case of Walker needing to have the surgery eventually, sometimes in the near future, no matter what. If he didn't pitch in the CWS, then next time he started picking up a ball and throwing regularly again, the issues were going to resurface until he had TJ surgery.
So a 19 year old has to get surgery rather than having options
thanks to pulmonary I guess
Posted on 7/6/17 at 1:01 pm to Adam Banks
quote:
A proper work up considering the long term consequences should have included an MRI which would have caused him to be shut down for the cws.
An MRI should have been taken post bullpen during practice in Omaha for soreness?
quote:
Sucks but he doesn't go under the knife and he's good to go for next year.
You're saying this as if more rest (aka sitting out during all of Omaha) he would be ok but nothing would happen during fall ball or spring practice?
quote:
Instead pulmonary threw him and now he has a complete tear and is out for all of next season
Again, even if "Pulmonary"
man that's just too funny 
had sat him after feeling soreness the chances he would have torn it during fall ball or spring practice would have been greater and hence would be out all of next year anyways. quote:
Point being......this was likely a case of Walker needing to have the surgery eventually, sometimes in the near future, no matter what. If he didn't pitch in the CWS, then next time he started picking up a ball and throwing regularly again, the issues were going to resurface until he had TJ surgery.
Holdthattiger10
This guy gets it.
You guys remember Jake Latz? That's what happens when you try and heal an arm issue with time and patience.
This post was edited on 7/6/17 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 7/6/17 at 1:02 pm to Adam Banks
quote:
You first orthopaedist read the scan as low grade and initially tried non surgical management
This kid probably hopes to be pitching for the next 10-15 years. The point that everybody is trying to make in this thread is that this surgery was coming no matter what. He could have no pitched in the CWS, and he could have not pitched all summer. It wouldn't change the fact that if he continued to pitch that the chances were very very high that he was going to require TJ surgery at some point.
Ell's situation only further proves this point.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 1:04 pm to Adam4848
This dude is no doubt an alter of either Atlanta or the other moron who was spitting out this bullshite earlier in the thread. He's just trying to make his case by showing that more than one "person" doesn't think he's a complete idiot.
He obviously hates CPM, and is just trying to find anything possible to throw stones his way.
He obviously hates CPM, and is just trying to find anything possible to throw stones his way.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 1:06 pm to Adam Banks
Why do you mention training staffs? Seems you are fine laying all injury mgmt at the feet of the coach.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 1:06 pm to southernelite
Which pitching commitments are we expecting to come to LSU?
Posted on 7/6/17 at 1:07 pm to Adam4848
quote:
You guys remember Jake Latz? That's what happens when you try and heal an arm issue with time and patience.
Some how....some way...CPM is responsible for this also.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 1:08 pm to Adam Banks
My point was that I was about to graduate in 6 months and I wanted to avoid surgery. It was a conscious decision to use the 3 months we had to try and rehab. It didn't hurt me either way. The first doc said surgery was likely. And it wasn't ever a full tear. And it wasn't ever "just a sprain".
You've made the claim that Walker has a full tear. False. More bullshite.
You've made the claim that Walker has a full tear. False. More bullshite.
This post was edited on 7/6/17 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 7/6/17 at 1:10 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
quote:
He obviously hates CPM, and is just trying to find anything possible to throw stones his way.
I have found this basic premise to be the major filter for nearly every post where CPM comes up. You appreciate what he brings to the program, you trust him and most of his decisions. You don't like him, you look for every opportunity to place blame on him.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 1:23 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
Ell, Hold That Tiger, theRick, and lsu2006, and others, are pretty much spot on...
I just don't have time to get into the mechanics of UCL injuries. I posted a little on this yesterday for those that want a little more...
As far as those whom are wanting criticizing Mainieri... There are other threads for this. Go beat the dead horse of him keeping Reynolds in for too long, on another thread. From reports we as fans were getting, it went from "forearm soreness" to "forearm tightness", then they said he felt great after the throwing session he had, right before his start against Oregon State. Had he had a very obvious and overt problem, the team sports medicine staff and trainers would have picked up on this quickly. Some injuries are very occult for a while, and this has the writings as one of those.
Once he had the problem against Oregon State, Mainieri was quick to state that he was shutting Walker down for the rest of the CWS, until he could get him home to be evaluated by their doctors. He didnt try to get cute by trying another warm up session, or anything of that nature. He shut Walker down, because at that point (and NOT up until that point), was it obvious that something was potentially wrong.
Mainieri has never appeared to be a guy that rags his pitchers out. I remember a few years ago when Anthony Ranaudo had "forearm soreness", or something to that nature, and they shut him down for a while.
It could very well have been that Walker only had the beginnings of a UCL injury (not all of them happen suddenly and completely, all at once). Some of the overt partial tears (mild Grade 2 sprains), are VERY difficult to make out on MRI anyways. You cant just assume that a MRI would always rule in or out, the ability of the pitcher to continue or not. Its often vague, even on advanced imaging, so you have to be thorough in your examination and evaluation. I'm assuming the trainer's did a sufficient job of this, and its likely that Walker's injury was just occult. Being that he threw a session and felt completely fine, and pitched two innings against Oregon State, tell us that he DEFINITELY did not have a full tear at the time, or even too much pain or swelling. He would have been grimacing the face, flinching upon palpation of the medial elbow by a trainer, and his mechanics, delivery, velocity, and location would have all been VERY different if he had a complete tear during any of his pitching.
It is likely, as others have said, that this would have eventually manifested sometime soon, even had he not have pitched any in the CWS. He could have been at his first start in the Cape league, where it would have likely happened.
Also, consider the fact that this might still be a Grade 2 sprain, and the specialist in Arlington thinks that trying to take 3-4 months, or longer, to rehab, might not be the best solution. What if he tried this approach, only to not be successful and therefore have wasted a lot of time, vs. him just getting surgery now and working on rehabbing quickly. Its not always black and white. I trust the opinion of a specialist who treats major leaguers on a regular basis.
I don't mean to ramble, and this is getting long enough... bottom line here: a) We pray for Eric Walker to have a successful surgery and rehab. Its his hopes and dreams for future baseball that are most important to him, and therefore should also be for the Tiger Nation as well. b) Criticize Mainieri in some other fashion, BUT NOT ON THIS ONE! c) Being that none of us have inside information, and also to the ambiguous nature of some of these injuries, lets just agree to quit passing judgement, and go back to a) and b).
I just don't have time to get into the mechanics of UCL injuries. I posted a little on this yesterday for those that want a little more...
As far as those whom are wanting criticizing Mainieri... There are other threads for this. Go beat the dead horse of him keeping Reynolds in for too long, on another thread. From reports we as fans were getting, it went from "forearm soreness" to "forearm tightness", then they said he felt great after the throwing session he had, right before his start against Oregon State. Had he had a very obvious and overt problem, the team sports medicine staff and trainers would have picked up on this quickly. Some injuries are very occult for a while, and this has the writings as one of those.
Once he had the problem against Oregon State, Mainieri was quick to state that he was shutting Walker down for the rest of the CWS, until he could get him home to be evaluated by their doctors. He didnt try to get cute by trying another warm up session, or anything of that nature. He shut Walker down, because at that point (and NOT up until that point), was it obvious that something was potentially wrong.
Mainieri has never appeared to be a guy that rags his pitchers out. I remember a few years ago when Anthony Ranaudo had "forearm soreness", or something to that nature, and they shut him down for a while.
It could very well have been that Walker only had the beginnings of a UCL injury (not all of them happen suddenly and completely, all at once). Some of the overt partial tears (mild Grade 2 sprains), are VERY difficult to make out on MRI anyways. You cant just assume that a MRI would always rule in or out, the ability of the pitcher to continue or not. Its often vague, even on advanced imaging, so you have to be thorough in your examination and evaluation. I'm assuming the trainer's did a sufficient job of this, and its likely that Walker's injury was just occult. Being that he threw a session and felt completely fine, and pitched two innings against Oregon State, tell us that he DEFINITELY did not have a full tear at the time, or even too much pain or swelling. He would have been grimacing the face, flinching upon palpation of the medial elbow by a trainer, and his mechanics, delivery, velocity, and location would have all been VERY different if he had a complete tear during any of his pitching.
It is likely, as others have said, that this would have eventually manifested sometime soon, even had he not have pitched any in the CWS. He could have been at his first start in the Cape league, where it would have likely happened.
Also, consider the fact that this might still be a Grade 2 sprain, and the specialist in Arlington thinks that trying to take 3-4 months, or longer, to rehab, might not be the best solution. What if he tried this approach, only to not be successful and therefore have wasted a lot of time, vs. him just getting surgery now and working on rehabbing quickly. Its not always black and white. I trust the opinion of a specialist who treats major leaguers on a regular basis.
I don't mean to ramble, and this is getting long enough... bottom line here: a) We pray for Eric Walker to have a successful surgery and rehab. Its his hopes and dreams for future baseball that are most important to him, and therefore should also be for the Tiger Nation as well. b) Criticize Mainieri in some other fashion, BUT NOT ON THIS ONE! c) Being that none of us have inside information, and also to the ambiguous nature of some of these injuries, lets just agree to quit passing judgement, and go back to a) and b).
Posted on 7/6/17 at 1:27 pm to DocRock
So what is the overwhelming narrative in this thread that has this going 12 pages?
Sucks for Walker, but I had already been mentally preparing myself for this news.
Sucks for Walker, but I had already been mentally preparing myself for this news.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 1:28 pm to DocRock
quote:
DocRock
Best post of the thread.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 1:29 pm to Broski
quote:
So what is the overwhelming narrative in this thread that has this going 12 pages?
Just your typical 2 or 3 idiots (or 1 person with multiple alters) putting all the blame of Walkers injury on CPM.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 1:50 pm to Adam Banks
quote:
pulmonary
Do people actually think this is funny? Is it supposed to be an insult or something?
Posted on 7/6/17 at 1:52 pm to Cap Crunch
Making fun of his name is all that Paul haters have left at this point.
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