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re: Per LSUsports.net, Eric Walker to miss 2018
Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:19 pm to ell_13
Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:19 pm to ell_13
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I don't have to. I've had TJ surgery before. I had 15 months to search everything I could.
I didn't realize you were a Tommy John disease survivor. At what point did you know something was wrong and at what point were you diagnosed, if you don't mind me asking.
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Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:20 pm to ell_13
I'm not making anything up. Look it up. Hell lance McCullers for the Astros had one last year. No surgery and was back to start the season.
This post was edited on 7/6/17 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:21 pm to Adam Banks
You said he completely tore it, but I thought his injury was only a partial tear.
This post was edited on 7/6/17 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:22 pm to Adam Banks
Just so we're straight... You're arguing that after Walker complained of soreness in the simulated outing on Tuesday before game 1 of the CWS he should have been shut down and given an MRI and that not pitching again til next year everything would have been fine?
Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:27 pm to therick711
quote:My story:
At what point did you know something was wrong
Fall ball scrimmage. Late October so it wasn't early and my arm was feeling fine. I was closing the game and got a quick 1-2-3 in just 6 pitches. Too quick. My coach asked me to go out for another. Got a quick out and on the second pitch of the second batter I felt it go. Didn't feel a pop, but a sharp pain and tingling down the forearm. I walked off the mound knowing exactly what it was.
I was a sidearm-er. Not sub. But I had two pitches. FB and SL. It was obviously the slider that did it. Went to the team doc. Got the MRI. Showed the UCL in tact. Partial tear. Spent the rest of the year resting and rehabbing hoping that I could throw again in January.
Pain still there. Got a second doc (Field) to look at the MRI and assess. Surgery was scheduled for early February. Rehabbed throughout the season with Cory as my trainer. Over the summer worked here at home with Beau Lowry at LSU. That's when the throwing program started and I got to spend some time with Didier and Dean while they rehabbed, too. Felt 100% by November. Pitching again in games in February. Didn't change anything.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:28 pm to therick711
I'm saying he likely had a grade 1-2 ucl sprain prior to throwing in the cws. A proper work up considering the long term consequences should have included an MRI which would have caused him to be shut down for the cws. Sucks but he doesn't go under the knife and he's good to go for next year. Instead pulmonary threw him and now he has a complete tear and is out for all of next season
Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:29 pm to Adam Banks
You are making a ton of assumptions based on?
Anything do defend yourself. Again, making shite up.
Anything do defend yourself. Again, making shite up.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:30 pm to Adam Banks
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I'm saying he likely had a grade 1-2 ucl sprain prior to throwing in the cws.
You base that on forearm tightness? I'm not being critical, I'm just trying to understand what you are sideline diagnosing.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:31 pm to ell_13
Based on a pitcher with elbow soreness. It's not a hard diagnosis nor a hard work up. We got the diagnosis but likely a game too late. Could he still have required surgery? Maybe but I can sure as hell tell you that throwing in it sure didn't help
Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:31 pm to Adam Banks
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I'm saying he likely had a grade 1-2 ucl sprain prior to throwing in the cws.
I mean... based on what? You're completely talking out of your arse here. You don't shut down every single pitcher who experiences soreness late in the year and have an MRI done. Either way, you're using a ton of assumptions, speculation and hindsight to make this about PM screwing Walker over. Pretty sad. Whatever floats your boat I guess
Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:32 pm to ctiger69
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He should have never pitched in the CWS. He should of had a MRI earlier.
Obviously.
But, are you suggesting that he could have staved off TJ if that had happened?
Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:33 pm to moneyg
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But, are you suggesting that he could have staved off TJ if that had happened?
Definitely not out of the question.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:34 pm to southernelite
remember when everyone said no big deal it's just soreness?
Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:34 pm to Adam Banks
quote:It wasn't elbow. We honestly don't know anything about it.
Based on a pitcher with elbow soreness.
The "forearm soreness" then "forearm tightness" then "100% healthy" doesn't mean shite. No one is going to go to the CWS and be open about injuries. It means absolutely nothing. Yet here you are diagnosing the kid.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:34 pm to 33inNC
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What do you mean? His constant mismanagement of pitchers throughout the whole CWS cost the team big. How is it out of the realm to think he mismanaged Walker too?
How did he mismanage pitchers in the CWS?
Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:35 pm to Adam Banks
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Definitely not out of the question.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:35 pm to lsu2006
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You don't shut down every single pitcher who experiences soreness late in the year and have an MRI done.
Depends on where and obviously it was his elbow. Sure as shite MRI that. Long term consequences are far more significant and expensive (i.e. Tommy John surgery, reduced compensation from MLB etc)
Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:37 pm to 33inNC
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Also, I would say his severely mismanaged the hitters as well. Their approach at the plate was so bad as well. Fail all the way around when he needed to actually coach the team to win and not win on talent alone.
you mean like when we beat the #1 team in the country twice in a row to win our side of the bracket? Or does Paul not get any credit when the team does well?
Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:38 pm to ell_13
I'm glad you think you're Smaple size of 1 anecdotal evidence means every single ucl injury gets surgery, yet discount major league pitchers with major league training staffs who are currently pitching at an elite level less than a year from the injury I described
Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:41 pm to Adam Banks
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Depends on where and obviously it was his elbow.
In retrospect, it sure was his elbow. You're trying really, really hard to make this about PM screwing over a pitcher when that just isn't the case. Carry on.
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