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re: Orgeron at LSU for the next 15 years? Yes, one college football columnist says
Posted on 4/10/19 at 8:34 am to BayouCowboy
Posted on 4/10/19 at 8:34 am to BayouCowboy
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"The hot seat talk last offseason came only from the uniformed
You always have to watch out for those uniformed people.
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and Orgeron continues to upgrade LSU's roster. it's his dream job, so he isn't going anywhere as long as he wins enough to keep the fans happy.
Ya know, I never gave this a SECOND of thought. If Orgeron is successful, and keeps the fans happy, he just might keep his job. What a revelation!
Of course he'll keep his job if he keeps the program moving FORWARD. If this guy thinks the hot seat talk only came from the uninformed (or uniformed), he's got a very short memory. Even THIS administration, which tolerates mediocrity from certain coaches more than any school that I can think of, eventually fired Les Miles, not because he was having losing seasons (which he wasn't), but because he wasn't moving the needle, and he wasn't changing his offense to compete for national titles.
Orgeron didn't do anything to change that feeling, until late last year, a little bit. Now we're hearing about an actual update to modern offense. IF that holds true, outstanding. Good for him, good for LSU, and good for all of us. But it has to be proven on the field. It goes without saying that if everything works out, he'll be here a long time.
This post was edited on 4/10/19 at 8:39 am
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 8:36 am to VermilionTiger
Two losses would have been barely competing for the west unless you consider 29 zip at home against Bama as being competitive.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 8:36 am to Solo Cam
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Honest, non-flaming question: How many years would you be ok with O coaching without an SECw championship? Not a natty, not a playoff birth, not a conference championship, just win the division. We all want LSU do win and win big. I hope Orgeron is here for the next 20 years, but for me hat means he has to win something of worth. If he can’t beat Bama in 5 years then what the frick are we doing? I don’t get why we need to wait for Saban to retire while the rest of the country continues to build to beat him. That’s not the mindsight of a champion. It can be done. Auburn beat them year before last, Georgia has had the, on the ropes twice, Clemson raped em. Hell at this point I’m just hoping we score against them, that’s a far cry from calling for Les’s job after he lost to Saban in his prime.
First, I don't care who the LSU coach is. I just want LSU to win with or without O. As for the SECw question I will give you my opinion of the situation. We are in the unenviable position of being in the same division with the most dominant team in the modern era of football. If we were in the SECe I think we would be in the SECCG multiple times since 2011. We do however have some issues with UF as well. That being said there is no excuse for some extremely poor performances against Bama, namely both of SE's games as OC. I think Bama is more in our coaches' heads than the players and that has to change. You have to attack them aggressively on offense. We've played into their hands the last few years, but I think that changes in 2019.
This team is built to win now. I expect us to make a run at the SECCG this year and I know that means beating Bama in Tuscaloosa. Atlanta or bust.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 8:36 am to TheCaterpillar
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His model is hire great coordinators and let them coach. If he hires unsuccessful coordinators, his model doesn't work.
See also: Les Miles
This post was edited on 4/10/19 at 8:37 am
Posted on 4/10/19 at 8:36 am to H-Town Tiger
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no. Finishing #5 in the final playoff you could count as competing for a NC but not the final AP poll and of course if your aunt had nuts she’d be your uncle
LSU in 2018 was just as close to competing as they were in 2005 and 2006, unfortunately. "Competing" evolves when more teams are in the playoffs, IMO.
I'm not defending last year. They lost 2 games they shouldn't have and won 1 game they shouldn't have. It was a major disappointment.
And I am not a fan of Orgeron.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 8:41 am to VermilionTiger
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LSU in 2018 was just as close to competing as they were in 2005 and 2006, unfortunately. "Competing" evolves when more teams are in the playoffs, IMO.
#5 and #6 in the final playoff poll can say they were competing. LSU was #11.
This post was edited on 4/10/19 at 8:44 am
Posted on 4/10/19 at 8:43 am to SwampTrash
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 8:46 am to BayouCowboy
Anyone can stay 15 years at LSU. But only if you win.
Drop back to back 8-win seasons, for instance, and see what happens.
Drop back to back 8-win seasons, for instance, and see what happens.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 8:50 am to BayouCowboy
quote:going from 6-2 to 5-3 in the SEC (and getting destroyed 29-0 at home by our real competition in the West) is improvement?
Orgeron's Tigers showed improvement in his second full season at the helm.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 9:01 am to VermilionTiger
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LSU in 2018 was just as close to competing as they were in 2005 and 2006, unfortunately. "Competing" evolves when more teams are in the playoffs, IMO.
While the last statement is true, and it was different in the BCS era, but the 2005 team won the SEC W. Had they won the SECCG in a normal year (ie not 1 where the preseason #1 and 2 teams run the table) they would have been in serious contention for BCS and a playoff lock. 2006 really wasn’t in contention after losing to Florida for the BCS but would have been considered and hence in contention with a 4 team playoff. Last year was in contention after the Bama game
Posted on 4/10/19 at 9:36 am to VermilionTiger
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I'm not defending last year. They lost 2 games they shouldn't have and won 1 game they shouldn't have. It was a major disappointment. And I am not a fan of Orgeron.
I also am not a fan of Orgeron but I completely disagree that last was a major disappointment. It was good season, they finished in the top 10, won a major bowl (though that too has lost a little value since 12 teams make it now vs 8 or 10). But they weren’t what I’d consider “competing for a championship” in a meaningful way. 2018 was more like 1996 Imo a than 2005 or 06, it was a good team by clearly below the top teams
Posted on 4/10/19 at 9:44 am to BayouCowboy
The thread so nice we needed it twice
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:24 am to H-Town Tiger
If Orgeron is at LSU in 15 years, it means the team has done a lot of winning, so I'd be totally on board with that. If LSU kept any football coach for 15 years, it would mean the program was successful and winning a bunch of games.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:50 am to lsu2006
I like Ed but keep in mind Phil Fulmer was a better coach (let’s be honest) got a natty and didn’t last that long. Les in some ways the same just not on scheme. Nobody can see that far ahead into the future.
This post was edited on 4/10/19 at 10:54 am
Posted on 4/10/19 at 1:11 pm to The Cool No 9
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like Ed but keep in mind Phil Fulmer was a better coach (let’s be honest) got a natty and didn’t last that long.
Why don't we let O compile a body of work here before we compare him to the Fulmers of the world. For now he has the team moving in the right direction.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 1:17 pm to BayouCowboy
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We've played into their hands the last few years, but I think that changes in 2019
Why do you think this?
The plays may be different but the playcaller is the same.
Do we think Ensminger becomes a more aggressive playcaller this season?
Posted on 4/10/19 at 1:24 pm to Goldrush25
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Why do you think this?
The plays may be different but the playcaller is the same.
Do we think Ensminger becomes a more aggressive playcaller this season
So you're of the opinion that the players don't matter, the play called doesn't matter. It's the play caller that matters.
Yep. That's how I see it. It depends on who called the play on whether it works or not.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 1:27 pm to bencoleman
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So you're of the opinion that the players don't matter,
He's just asking the same stuff repeatedly, you'll never be able to give a satisfactory rebuttal. This stuff has been rehashed thousands of times. I feel like it's Groundhog Day around here...
Posted on 4/10/19 at 1:29 pm to The First Cut
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football columnist says by The First Cut
I hope he’s right, that would mean he’s winning.
Not if Alleva is still here
Posted on 4/10/19 at 1:29 pm to Goldrush25
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Why do you think this?
The plays may be different but the playcaller is the same.
Do we think Ensminger becomes a more aggressive playcaller this season?
Translation: I hate O and will continue to piss and moan about everything until he's gone.
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