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re: O sucks =/= Les should have stayed
Posted on 10/12/17 at 2:03 am to JustinT37
Posted on 10/12/17 at 2:03 am to JustinT37
quote:Why is this constantly brought up?
If Les is a better coach why hasn’t any other University hired him?
He's guaranteed 4 mil a year, he just spent a decade at LSU winning at the highest level, and he's close to retirement age. I imagine there's a short list of programs he'd take on, places that would have the resources equal to what he had, willing to pay what he'd ask, and that would be willing to take him with the knowledge that he'd probably retire after a couple of years.
He doesn't NEED a job, and like Spurrier, I'm not sure he WANTS one.
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Posted on 10/12/17 at 6:03 am to BigD13
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Agreed, just saying that with the right QB, they had a hell of a offense. Miles problem was he couldn't keep a competent QB
No they didn’t. It finished 35th in the country with a former starting NFL Qb, a starting NFL RB and 2 of the best receivers in the NFL along with 4 other starters that played in the NFL. 35th is not good with that talent and only scored 17 against Bama
Miles and Cam’s offense sucked for the same reason Michigan’s offense is bad now
That old school basic pro style offense is outdated and doesn’t work in today’s game.
Posted on 10/12/17 at 6:11 am to JustinT37
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If Les is a better coach why hasn’t any other University hired him?
he at least got interviews.
O couldn’t even get a phone call from Syracuse even though he was begging for one in the media.
Miles is better than O.
always was and always will be.
replacing Les with O was colossally stupid.
Posted on 10/12/17 at 7:19 am to lsufanz
At the time that Alleva fired Les, Alleva thought he was getting Jimbo.
Would Alleva have fired Les, expecting to replace him with O? Obviously not since the job was offered to both Jimbo and Tom Herman before O.
The dynamic playing out right now is a direct result of (1) Alleva's failure to conduct a proper search for LSU's next HC, and (2) Alleva signed of on a Orgeron contract with outrageous buyout sums. A guy that applied for the Syracuse job and was turned down gets a $12 million buyout from LSU and in year 1, and an $8.5 million buyout in year 2??
If Alleva wasn't so inept to begin with, I'd almost think he approved the crazy buyout amounts as some type of hedge bet for his own job.
Would Alleva have fired Les, expecting to replace him with O? Obviously not since the job was offered to both Jimbo and Tom Herman before O.
The dynamic playing out right now is a direct result of (1) Alleva's failure to conduct a proper search for LSU's next HC, and (2) Alleva signed of on a Orgeron contract with outrageous buyout sums. A guy that applied for the Syracuse job and was turned down gets a $12 million buyout from LSU and in year 1, and an $8.5 million buyout in year 2??
If Alleva wasn't so inept to begin with, I'd almost think he approved the crazy buyout amounts as some type of hedge bet for his own job.
Posted on 10/12/17 at 7:44 am to lsufanz
But just imagine if we'd paid big for 1-3 Jimbo or a soon-to-be 3-3 Herman (who was 8-3 in the goddamn MAC last year)...
We'd be mediocre-er without a possible exit for 5 years. Even if you hate O, Alleva, etc., it's easy to see that we got a better deal and could've been jammed up even worse had we not signed O.
We'd be mediocre-er without a possible exit for 5 years. Even if you hate O, Alleva, etc., it's easy to see that we got a better deal and could've been jammed up even worse had we not signed O.
Posted on 10/12/17 at 7:49 am to DontCare
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But just imagine if we'd paid big for 1-3 Jimbo or a soon-to-be 3-3 Herman (who was 8-3 in the goddamn MAC last year)...
Both of those coaches are superior to Orgeron in every way, and only a few random people in our fan base think otherwise. Put Orgeron in either of their shoes and see what the record would be. Also you need to google what the "MAC" is, you sound like an idiot.
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We'd be mediocre-er without a possible exit for 5 years. Even if you hate O, Alleva, etc., it's easy to see that we got a better deal and could've been jammed up even worse had we not signed O.
Under no circumstances would we be worse with either of those two than we are with Orgeron.
Posted on 10/12/17 at 7:52 am to Number 31
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Les should have been coach until we could get an equal or better replacement
WRONG..
Coach O sucks, but LES MILES sucked worse. Miles should have been fired years ago.
Get over the gaymance with MILES, HE SUUUUUUUCKED
Posted on 10/12/17 at 7:53 am to lsufanz
Amen
Posted on 10/12/17 at 7:55 am to lsufanz
If les was here we'd be even worse. Trying to run toss dive behind this weak line would be laughable. And don't tell me he wouldn't.
People don't want to hear it but with this o-line, we're lucky to have Canada's offense that can somewhat mask the weakness.
People don't want to hear it but with this o-line, we're lucky to have Canada's offense that can somewhat mask the weakness.
Posted on 10/12/17 at 7:58 am to DontCare
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But just imagine if we'd paid big for 1-3 Jimbo or a soon-to-be 3-3 Herman (who was 8-3 in the goddamn MAC last year)...
Jimbo has played a schedule many times tougher than we have so far. and being forced to do so with a true freshman QB that was never supposed to see the field this year.
he has 3 losses by a combined 31 points. all to teams ranked in top 20.
O lost to a fricking Sunbelt team with a 5th year senior QB.
O has 2 losses by a combined 33 points against unranked teams that ain’t been world beaters in their other games.
Herman is in a true rebuild of a cesspool program that didn’t even qualify for a bowl the two previous years.
O and Ponamsky changes their story from “Playoff Bound”to “rebuild” after getting raped by State. We’re supposed to believe that we suddenly have less talent than Troy.
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We'd be mediocre-er without a possible exit for 5 years. Even if you hate O, Alleva, etc., it's easy to see that we got a better deal
actually, it’s not even possible to see how we got a better deal with O.
we’re paying him $3.5 and impossible to fire for a crap product that has become a joke in the national media.
in what world is being competitive with backups against an actual tough schedule somehow looks worse than getting dominated by unranked teams with far less talent than your own?
Posted on 10/12/17 at 8:16 am to lsufanz
Compared to O, I'd take another decade of Les
Posted on 10/12/17 at 8:21 am to tduecen
The plan was to fire miles and get a Herman, Fisher, or Fleck. But those three didn’t work out, or our AD didn’t try hard enough (probably the latter). Sooo we’re stuck with O where our AD gave him a $12m buyout.
You see who we actually need to fire.... right?
You see who we actually need to fire.... right?
Posted on 10/12/17 at 8:32 am to tduecen
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However, I only thought he should be fired if they could get Herman or Jimbo
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Les should have been coach until we could get an equal or better replacement
Can someone please explain this logic?? What do you think Alleva should have done? Maybe go behind the scenes and work some kind of backdoor contract with Herman or Fisher while CLM was still employed by the university? Or maybe just continue to deny reports of an impending termination at years end because as we all know REPORTS get out and we really would’ve had a cluster frick then.... The problem is Alleva kept only two eggs in the basket and failed to properly gauge other candidates interest (like PJ Fleck and others) although CLM was fired after the third game. CEO was a last minute fill in because Alleva failed at doing his job!
Posted on 10/12/17 at 8:35 am to lsufanz
Les shouldn't have been fired until a better replacement was found.
It's like having car trouble on your brand new 2018 A d trading it off for a 76 nova.
Stupid move.
It's like having car trouble on your brand new 2018 A d trading it off for a 76 nova.
Stupid move.
Posted on 10/12/17 at 9:09 am to lsufanz
What someone posted yesterday sums it up for me. Yes, he should have stayed until you had a concrete plan on the direction you want to go in.
They didn't.
Plus the buyout for Les shrinks every year. Now your stuck paying him and O. And possibly a new coach if it comes to that.
They didn't.
Plus the buyout for Les shrinks every year. Now your stuck paying him and O. And possibly a new coach if it comes to that.
This post was edited on 10/12/17 at 9:11 am
Posted on 10/12/17 at 10:28 am to ReelTiger1
“LES MILES sucked worse”
You have to be a troll cause no sane/rational LSU football fan can look at the work product of coach O, at this time, and find it to be of greater value than that of Miles.
It’s fire AND hire and not just fire. We can try to pretend that it’s a singular action all we want but in this particular case, that’s not true.
You have to be a troll cause no sane/rational LSU football fan can look at the work product of coach O, at this time, and find it to be of greater value than that of Miles.
It’s fire AND hire and not just fire. We can try to pretend that it’s a singular action all we want but in this particular case, that’s not true.
Posted on 10/12/17 at 10:36 am to burdman
Funny how some people want to revert back to Les. This is retarded. Just remember Winsconsin and Auburn last year. The man needed to go irregardless of who the coach was going to be. If O can't get it done, someone else will get a chance. Les damn sure wasn't the answer.
Posted on 10/12/17 at 10:39 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
quote:I don't see many on here disagreeing with this sentiment, but at some point you have to trust that the other side is being straight with you. Unless you have the replacement sign the new contract before you terminate the one with existing coach and I'm not sure that's possible.
Les shouldn't have been fired until a better replacement was found.
Posted on 10/12/17 at 10:56 am to Highland n Stadium
quote:
The man needed to go irregardless of who the coach was going to be.
Well now, this is stupid.
Posted on 10/12/17 at 11:17 am to tduecen
Once again that's linear thinking. The team that coach "O" took over was built and developed (o-line depth, lack of quarterback etc.) by Les. FYI o was not my third or even fourth choice. People have to realize this program was much weaker than when Les took over from Saban.
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