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Nobody’s talking about the Ohio State DBs we got in the portal last year
Posted on 8/28/24 at 7:19 am
Posted on 8/28/24 at 7:19 am
Everybody says we didn’t upgrade the DB room with any new guys there except the incoming freshmen, who probably aren’t ready yet, but it sounds like Johnson and Brown are 2 of our top 5 corners. Johnson is probably our 3rd boundary CB and would be the 1st one in after Stamps and Sage, and Brown appears to be the starting nickel.
I have no idea how good they actually are (though they were apparently good enough to be recruited and signed by the 2 best DBU schools in the country), but they are finally healthy and have been in the “LSU” system for 2 years now. That extra year makes them better prepared than if we’d gotten them from the portal this year and they didn’t show up to camp in the summer or even the spring.
So it’s not like we’re ONLY hoping for young guys to take big steps and to hang on until Zy gets back or Woodland, Spears, the other Johnson, or Turner develop into guys who can hopefully give us good snaps later in the year.
Anyway, they may suck, but they are bodies that we added that didn’t play last year and will be available this year. And they have an extra year of assimilation into the LSU culture with the benefit of the strength and conditioning program, nutrition, and all the cutting edge performance science we provide. Just kinda weird that nobody ever really mentions them.
I have no idea how good they actually are (though they were apparently good enough to be recruited and signed by the 2 best DBU schools in the country), but they are finally healthy and have been in the “LSU” system for 2 years now. That extra year makes them better prepared than if we’d gotten them from the portal this year and they didn’t show up to camp in the summer or even the spring.
So it’s not like we’re ONLY hoping for young guys to take big steps and to hang on until Zy gets back or Woodland, Spears, the other Johnson, or Turner develop into guys who can hopefully give us good snaps later in the year.
Anyway, they may suck, but they are bodies that we added that didn’t play last year and will be available this year. And they have an extra year of assimilation into the LSU culture with the benefit of the strength and conditioning program, nutrition, and all the cutting edge performance science we provide. Just kinda weird that nobody ever really mentions them.
Posted on 8/28/24 at 7:27 am to Hot Carl
We seem to have done well with Ohio State transfers.
Posted on 8/28/24 at 7:28 am to Hot Carl
Yes but the only thing that concerns me with both of them is I’ve heard absolutely nothing about either of them the whole month of August practice. I mean you’d think you’d hear about one of them showing out in at least one practice. The fact we’ve heard nothing out of them from the coaches or any media personal able to watch doesn’t sound too good.
But hey here’s to hoping I’m wrong and they both ball out this year!
But hey here’s to hoping I’m wrong and they both ball out this year!
Posted on 8/28/24 at 7:39 am to Hot Carl
If Sage is starting anywhere, there's a problem. No disrespect intended, that's just a fact until proven otherwise.
Posted on 8/28/24 at 7:43 am to Hot Carl
Johnson was signed in 2023, Brown was signed in 2024.
Posted on 8/28/24 at 7:43 am to Hot Carl
They’ve given fans nothing to talk about, Carl
Posted on 8/28/24 at 7:47 am to Hot Carl
Time for them to sh#t or get off the pot!
Posted on 8/28/24 at 7:47 am to The Mick
Sage has been playing out of position his entire career at LSU. He’s not a corner, he’s being forced to play corner because we need him to
Posted on 8/28/24 at 7:49 am to chadr07
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Yes but the only thing that concerns me with both of them is I’ve heard absolutely nothing about either of them the whole month of August practice. I mean you’d think you’d hear about one of them showing out in at least one practice. The fact we’ve heard nothing out of them from the coaches or any media personal able to watch doesn’t sound too good.
I agree. That’s the main point of the thread. I wasn’t trying to pump sunshine, just pointing out it’s kinda odd how little they’ve been mentioned. And it’s not just non-LSU analysts that aren’t mentioning them, it’s the LSU media and coaches too. They’ve flown under the radar for whatever reason.
On the one hand, when DBs aren’t being mentioned, that could be a good thing meaning they aren’t giving up big plays. On the other, you’d think 2 of your top 5 CBs would have made at least some plays, some picks or PBUs to turn at least a head or 2. Especially with all the access the media had to practice.
I have no idea. Maybe they were injured early in camp and just got healthy enough to start taking meaningful reps. Or maybe our CBs just suck that bad. Either way, even if they’re just JAGs, seems better to have them healthy and available than not. If we can just somehow do enough to escape Vegas with a win, we should be able to make it to the bye week 5-0 and can really do some shuffling around if necessary those 2 weeks before Ole Miss comes to town.
Posted on 8/28/24 at 7:50 am to The Mick
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If Sage is starting anywhere, there's a problem. No disrespect intended, that's just a fact until proven otherwise.
#Facts
I was excited about Sage Ryan. I thought he had the makings of an elite DB. Even if he didn't settle neatly into either corner or safety, I figured worst case, he would be a lights-out nickel.
He has not developed as I expected, although I do not question his effort. And, he has played well at times, just not consistently. Maybe the light comes on for him. We will have to see it before we believe it.
This post was edited on 8/28/24 at 7:51 am
Posted on 8/28/24 at 7:50 am to The Mick
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If Sage is starting anywhere, there's a problem
Posted on 8/28/24 at 7:52 am to Lester Earl
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They’ve given fans nothing to talk about, Carl
Clearly. I know that’s not a GREAT thing, just can’t decipher how bad it is either.
Posted on 8/28/24 at 7:52 am to chadr07
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I’ve heard absolutely nothing about either of them the whole month of August practice.
How much have you heard about Toviano? He started 3 games for us last year & it seems to me that both of these guys are ahead of him now.
Sure, he’s had off the field issues, but he’s been a full participant in training camp.
I’d expect to see 12 & 17 playing in Game 1 against USC. Sounds like an upgrade from last year to me.
Posted on 8/28/24 at 7:55 am to The Mick
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If Sage is starting anywhere, there's a problem. No disrespect intended
You’re assuming he hasn’t improved with Raymond as DB coach? It sounds like Woodland is talented, but do you start him game 1 as a true freshman? If they like Sage more than Alexander (who started all 8 games he played in last year) then that’s a good sign
Posted on 8/28/24 at 8:30 am to Ace Midnight
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I was excited about Sage Ryan. I thought he had the makings of an elite DB. Even if he didn't settle neatly into either corner or safety, I figured worst case, he would be a lights-out nickel.
He has not developed as I expected, although I do not question his effort. And, he has played well at times, just not consistently. Maybe the light comes on for him. We will have to see it before we believe it.
I’m not sure he hasn’t developed as much as he’s just kind of a tweener who is a victim of ridiculously high expectations due to being overrated coming out of high school. Doesn’t have the hips to play corner and too short to play safety. I mean, he can play there, he just won’t ever be an All SEC kinda player. And I think they eventually want somebody to take that 2nd CB job from him so he can move back to nickel or safety, where he’s probably a much better fit.
I am gonna give him a bit of a pass on last year, though. House was so, so, so bad. He may have a fantastic scheme, but he didn’t have the personnel to run it and didn’t adjust. So we had guys thinking way too much, which made them play slow. I try to preach to my kids that it’s better to do the wrong thing at 100% than the “right” thing at anything less. If you’re not sure what to do, do fricking something with full commitment and you might frick around and make a play. Or disrupt it enough for somebody else to.
But if you just stand there in no man’s land, not sure whether to come up and take the guy in the flat/play the run, or run with the guy on the outside—whatever—the ball will inevitably find and embarrass you. And we just had too many guys doing that last year, just standing there all confused, playing slow, for it not to be a coaching issue. And they lost confidence early and got just too far gone to rein it in. Not making plays on balls they were in position to, not making tackles, turning a 25-yard busted coverage catch into a 40-50 yard play because they couldn’t get guys to the ground.
Not gonna try to sugar coat it and say our guys are great and it was 100% on House. But they’re better than they played last year. Hopefully Baker can play to their strengths and put them in positions that allow them to play free-er and faster and with a fricking bit of that LSU defensive swagger that we’ve lacked for years. We’ll start to see Sunday.
Posted on 8/28/24 at 8:30 am to The Mick
I'm gonna give Blake Baker the benefit of the doubt as to who he is going to start. I want to see how these guys do when they have a coach that can actually teach them the system, instead of acting like they are pro guys.
Posted on 8/28/24 at 8:44 am to The Mick
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otherwise
Aka spring and fall camps.
Posted on 8/28/24 at 8:56 am to JimTiger72
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How much have you heard about Toviano?
I was just about to mention him. I have to think they planned on him playing a lot this year.
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He started 3 games for us last year & it seems to me that both of these guys are ahead of him now.
Sure, he’s had off the field issues, but he’s been a full participant in training camp.
I’ve got to think his off the field issues are a factor somehow. Either he’s facing some internal discipline (not a full suspension) or they’re not sure they can count on him, whether they’re scared he might screw up again or there may be a possibility something can change with his situation and charges might be filed again—I’m not suggesting either is true at all, just positing potential reasons for his lack of 1st team run.
Or maybe he’s kind of a tweener too, and they don’t know where he can best help the team. I think Baker, Olsen, and Raymond are gonna do a lot of tinkering early in the season, moving guys around, playing different positions, playing different guys together (maybe the 2 best individual safeties don’t play as well together as another combo for example) until they figure out how to best put the puzzle pieces together to where the sum might be greater than the whole of its parts.
The DBs have to play together as 1 unit, have to be able to communicate from across the field, to not only know what they individually have to do, but know what the others have to do and trust that they’ll do it. And it may take a bit to figure out what group does that the best. That’s why this USC game is so fricking huge. If we can just escape with an ugly 1-point win, the schedule sets up nicely for them to figure all that out before Ole Miss comes to Baton Rouge in Week 7 after a bye.
Posted on 8/28/24 at 9:23 am to JimTiger72
Toviano was obviously extremely raw last year, but he looked the part physically. a little stiff so maybe not an outside guy, but somewhere back there ball hawking......if he even plays due to his off field issues.
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