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re: Next will the courts disallow high school GPA’s and standardized scores to stand ?
Posted on 12/23/24 at 9:41 am to Mr Cell Phone
Posted on 12/23/24 at 9:41 am to Mr Cell Phone
All they have to do is find some woke judge and they will say they should be able to play regardless of gpa. It’s only a matter of time. As much as I dislike it, it will definitely happen.
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Posted on 12/23/24 at 9:43 am to MOT
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This hasn’t stopped some of the recent rulings
None of the rulings have been at all ridiculous. Players should have always been able to be paid by outside sources and there was no legitimate legal reason why a player should have to sit out a year simply for transferring schools. They were under no obligation other than that one year to the school. The school only offered them a 1 year scholarship.
But don’t let those facts get in the way of your narrative.
It’s not the players fault they will make more money in one year than you will in a lifetime.
Make your legal argument or STFU.
Hint: “I don’t like it” is not a legitimate legal argument.
This post was edited on 12/23/24 at 9:46 am
Posted on 12/23/24 at 9:45 am to tigersquad89
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All they have to do is find some woke judge and they will say they should be able to play regardless of gpa. It’s only a matter of time. As much as I dislike it, it will definitely happen.
lol @ you still using that word in what is essentially 2025.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 9:50 am to Mr Cell Phone
Who cares about reading, writing and arithmetic. Nothing matters but $ and greed.
Hedge funds can buy 51% of college sports programs, cut a deal with the Pro Sports leagues, send all the high school kids to the UFL, G league and minor leagues and let them all be uneducated serfs to the billionaires.
Hedge funds can buy 51% of college sports programs, cut a deal with the Pro Sports leagues, send all the high school kids to the UFL, G league and minor leagues and let them all be uneducated serfs to the billionaires.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 10:13 am to MirrOlure
Even better, a player sues for the goal to be lowered because it discriminates against shorter players.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 10:30 am to Mr Cell Phone
No. Courts wont rule that way. The NCAA lost the NIL case because a player earning money (not paid by the school) doesn't really have anything to do with the player playing sports. The NCAAs frick up was they weren't ready for the ruling at all so they just threw their hands up.
All other rulings against the NCAA have been because they have applied the "rules" arbitrarily. For example, Player A wants to go to a school close to home to be near his dying mom and its allowed. Player B wants to go to a school to be near his dying dad, but it's denied. If they would have applied them consistently across the board they would have won most of those cases.
The one rule that they do apply consistently though is minimum GPAs/hours. They would 100% win that case.
All other rulings against the NCAA have been because they have applied the "rules" arbitrarily. For example, Player A wants to go to a school close to home to be near his dying mom and its allowed. Player B wants to go to a school to be near his dying dad, but it's denied. If they would have applied them consistently across the board they would have won most of those cases.
The one rule that they do apply consistently though is minimum GPAs/hours. They would 100% win that case.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 10:54 am to Alt26
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I think the 4 year eligibility limit will soon be removed, but schools will still be allowed to set standards regarding admissions.
Yes, I agree all the rules surrounding 4 years of eligibility are unlikely to stand based on the way the courts are interpreting things. It’s more likely to change to a specific time frame to play post-HS graduation. Players will have a 5 year window to play after HS with no redshirts, medical hardships or exemptions for things like minor league baseball or missions. It has to become a consistent standard for everyone. Courts shoot down any attempt at flexibility to consider individual circumstances.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 11:08 am to Mr Cell Phone
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Suppose a high school student athlete who did not qualify academically files a law suite against the NCAA on the grounds of discrimination because he did not qualify to play as a freshman .
Not a protected class under what qualifies as discrimination.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 12:18 pm to MirrOlure
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Those are the rules. If you don’t qualify. Hey, you can’t play.
Until it is taken to court and some judge says scores are racists. In this hypothetical situation did that athlete have air conditioning growing up? That would be a big factor.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 12:19 pm to Mr Cell Phone
quote:Being dumb is not a protected class, and the NCAA already eliminated the test score requirement several years ago.
Suppose a high school student athlete who did not qualify academically files a law suite against the NCAA on the grounds of discrimination because he did not qualify to play as a freshman .
Posted on 12/23/24 at 12:34 pm to Sofaking2
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At least the ACT or SAT tests are the same or very similar across the country. The grades given are highly dependent on the quality of the school. All 4.0+ GPAs are not created equal.
omg this. Have friends with rising High School seniors right now. More than one is confused how their "brilliant" 4.0 student cant get higher than a 25 on the ACT. Madness, I tell you. Madness.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 3:21 pm to Mr Cell Phone
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The QB from Vanderbilt is a prime example
I know it’s an injunction, but the NCAA has been waiving the white flag at any judicial setback.
It’s not even about education but purely based on losing NIL opportunities.
JC players possibly gaining 2 years of eligibility because losing NIL opportunities trumps organizations from being able to have rules on eligibility even though true NIL is about the individual and most should technically follow individual including leaving college football completely (or being able to make $ solely based on individual follows them). If most of the money is coming only from playing on a college team it’s pay to play.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 4:11 pm to Mr Cell Phone
Have you see the degrees most of these players get and brag about muh college graduate?
If they get rid of academic qualifications for players to attend college what about students who want to go to college to actually get a degree? Do they not have to meet expectations?
If they get rid of academic qualifications for players to attend college what about students who want to go to college to actually get a degree? Do they not have to meet expectations?
Posted on 12/24/24 at 10:08 pm to Sofaking2
Grade inflation is a real phenomenon. Standardized tests are the great equalizer. While many have complained for years that the tests are discriminatory and/or unfair to students who have a difficult time with standardized testing, they remain the best indicator for success at the appropriate school / program / major.
With payment for play, having students at the appropriate academic challenge removes at least one circumstance that can derail the overall athletic academic experience.
With payment for play, having students at the appropriate academic challenge removes at least one circumstance that can derail the overall athletic academic experience.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 10:23 pm to cyarrr
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Not a protected class under what qualifies as discrimination.
that’s not the whole analysis. need to take into account equal protection and due process clauses when considering standardized testing.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 11:07 pm to bulletprooftiger
Need nfl to start there own league and get college ball and colleges to band together and let players walk when they set there own rules and budgets for player pay. Have the schools that band together and get a yearly players union agreement and when it doesn’t pass no football for a year, rehash the next year y til college ball is the way we like it and let the real real good dudes go to the nfl feeder league
Posted on 12/25/24 at 10:35 am to UnitedFruitCompany
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omg this. Have friends with rising High School seniors right now. More than one is confused how their "brilliant" 4.0 student cant get higher than a 25 on the ACT. Madness, I tell you. Madness.
Go to the 1:16 mark where he talks about people who claim to be “bad test takers”. LOL, as he says “you struggle with that part when we find out what you know”.
This post was edited on 12/25/24 at 10:36 am
Posted on 12/25/24 at 10:54 am to Mr Cell Phone
You have to be academically eligible to be admitted to LSU as a student to play football for LSU. So academic standards have to be maintained. I do not think courts will rule on GPA and standardized scores.
Posted on 12/25/24 at 11:54 am to Mr Cell Phone
College football no longer exists, so why would they have academic requirements to play professional minor league ball?
Posted on 12/25/24 at 12:02 pm to Mr Cell Phone
You would still have to qualify for a school to be able to be part of their athletic program. There isn't a court ruling that would be able to change that. Alot of schools would drop athletics before dropping their standards. If you do it for athletes, you would have to do it for everyone. Can you imagine Harvard having to admit someone with a 1.35 from a BR public HS.
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