re: New SI article claiming more violations for Wade

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Is that really how you think things work?

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That is absolutely how it works.

Did Wade give money to Reid and Smart? I don't have much doubt that they got something, but the NCAA questioned everyone involved and no one admitted to breaking any rules. NCAA doesn't have any legal authority at all. They cannot see bank records or anything like that. If no one admits to having done anything then their is nothing they can do.

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the change was substantive.

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and don't forget the "message" this sent to the fans & WW.

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eliminate unethical advantages is at the core of sportsmansh

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But, what happens when there is no advantage being gained because everyone is playing by the same rules? It seems as if your issue is more with the NCAA than it is when the people involved that are breaking the unenforced rules. If it were just a dozen or so schools doing this then those schools would always get the very best players. If Will Wade was really paying this exorbitant amount of money, he would have been able to get 3 top 10 players instead of Duke.

I agree with your position in principle, but it just doesn't apply in the current state of the NCAA. Everyone is making too much money and unless an outside entity like a newspaper or the FBI uncovers rules being broken, no one that's in a position to do anything about it seems to care.

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The GREATEST thing about sports is SPORTSMANSHIP. Following all of the rules to eliminate unethical advantages is at the core of sportsmanship."
My point was without "sportsmanship" (AKA following the rules), you don't have sports. However, some on this board don't believe in "rules" or "sportsmanship." That is sad.

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If this is the stance you take, then you don’t get to complain when LSU has losing records every year in baseball, basketball, and football...because that’s the cost of following all the rules when the others don’t.

You don’t get to call for the firing of a football coach who goes 3-9 to 5-7 every year, or a basketball or baseball coach who consistently finishes 13th or 14th in the SEC.

That’s the result of following all the rules in today’s college sports.

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I agree with your position in principle, but it just doesn't apply in the current state of the NCAA.

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Maybe. I don't know (and neither does anyone on this board) how rampant the cheating is in BB. I hope it is not as prevalent as some think. I think there is a chance that part of the reason "some" think others are cheating is that it becomes a convenient "excuse" as to why they are winning. Remember, none of us know how many schools are cheating, but we do know who was on an FBI wiretap.

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Basketball has always been a filthy pool.

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Possibly an overstatement. Has there been cheating in BB? Yes.
How many schools are cheating? NONE OF US KNOW.

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Wades apparent issue is being dumb and talking about it.

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I am so sick of this response. Just because you approve of unethical behavior does not mean the rest of us approve.

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How many schools are cheating? NONE OF US KNOW

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All the top schools recruit the same top players, multiple big institutions have been named in all this, nobody big is doing things by the rules, just use your brain for a minute.

This is an AAU and merchandise issue first and foremost as this is where it all starts and the schools have to play along or risk losing a lot of talent because tons of schools are all playing the game directly or indirectly.

Are we playing by the rules? Of course not, practically nobody else is either though so hard to feel that bad about when a ton of others have been specifically named and received NOAs already.

If the NCAA wants to hammer us or some other non blue bloods in this and not the blue bloods, then it will be typical NCAA bullshite protecting their big brands. Seems unlikely after not having a tournament they will be bringing down the Arizona, Kansas and Dukes of cbb when its obvious they're all cheating too.

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I don't know (and neither does anyone on this board) how rampant the cheating is in BB. I hope it is not as prevalent as some think.

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I think if you just look at it from a logical and common sense standpoint, the FBI would never have had to get involved if it wasn't widespread. I realize that they were investigating a specific segment of the sport. But, it didn't go from $100 handshakes to a bribery scandal overnight. This thing has progressed to this point with little to no consequences over a fairly long period of time.

Can we hear proof of at least 1 dollar amount talked about by at least 1 LSU coach And proof of at least 1 dollar amount accepted and taken by 1 LSU recruit? Yes..strong damned offer..I get it..but still..

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If the NCAA wants to hammer us or some other non blue bloods in this and not the blue bloods, then it will be typical NCAA bull shite protecting their big brands.

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I was wondering how long it was going to take for you to get to the "all of the successful programs are doing it" excuse.

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This is an AAU and merchandise issue first and foremost as this is where it all starts and the schools have to play along or risk losing a lot of talent because tons of schools are all playing the game directly or indirectly.

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I'm not so sure of this analysis. My take (concerning college BB coaches) is that if anyone or anybody were to get in their way when it comes to recruiting, they would not stand for that. In fact, I could see any number of coaches "blowing the whistle" on other programs if this was as widespread as some think.

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Are we playing by the rules? Of course not

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So, you are OK with cheating?
Question....If you were in an area where widespread looting and rioting were taking place and the local police were ordered to steer clear of looters, would you steal something alongside of the other looters?