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re: Miles unethical negotiation at LSU

Posted on 11/16/18 at 4:21 pm to
Posted by JKChesterton
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 11/16/18 at 4:21 pm to
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like Les as well, always did and still do. We don't know what KU was going to pay as long as LSU owed Miles $6.5. That was always a potential contract impediment. In other words, the mere fact of LSU owing $6.5 million introduced some element of uncertainty into the negotiations. KU offers a contract worth some amount, then how much does KU pay vs. how much can they leverage from LSU. That could be a stickler. You don't think LSU's attorneys would want to look at the KU contract terms. Well so much for a buyout clause in future contracts for Coaches that include terms limiting the buyout for the coach that gets hired down the road. According to the logic above they don't effectively work and even limit a coach from negotiating a new deal based on market conditions


kew48: Look there are bad contracts. Why did LSU give a huge buyout in Coach O's contract? I don' think that was a good negotiation on LSU's part, but it is in the contract. People write bad contracts. So maybe buyout clauses should not be in there. In fact, buyouts are only beneficial to a school when you are at a school that is not a blue blood or has tons of revenues and have a top notch up and coming coach. Iowa State's Coach Matt Campbell is one of those guys. It protects Iowa Stat. If you have a buyout and you have to fire a coach, then it can get costly to a school.
Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
29856 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 4:22 pm to
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If Miles gets the Kansas job which is being reported as likely, What he did to LSU in his negotiations is highly unethical. If he knew he had the Kansas job locked, he just knowingly screwed LSU out of another $1.5 Mil.



WOW you dumb. I mean this one takes the cake, and thats saying something
Posted by 62Tigerfan
Member since Sep 2015
5355 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 4:23 pm to
Posted by MountainTiger
The foot of Mt. Belzoni
Member since Dec 2008
14912 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 4:23 pm to
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kew48

Please learn to use the quote function.
This post was edited on 11/16/18 at 4:24 pm
Posted by MisslePig
Member since Jul 2018
1148 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 4:33 pm to
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Deferred assets (or liabilities) typically result from differences in tax accounting and book accounting, so not sure what exactly you are getting at here.


Deferred accounts can occur for a variety of reasons, deferred revenue is probably the most prominent kind that doesn't have anything to do with taxes, deffered assets relating to leases is about to over take it. LSU did not recognize a full loss when the signed the original agreement. They put it through the P&L as the costs were incurred.

Original Entry:
Debit Deferred asset $11m
Credit ST/LT liab $11m

Monthly Payments Made:
Debit ST Liab $133K
Credit Cash $133k

Debit P&L $133K
Credit Deferred Asset $133K

Settlement:
Debit ST/LT Liab $1.5M
Credit Cash $1.5M

Debit P&L $1.5M
Credit Deferred Asset $1.5M

Settlement Clearing Entry:
Debit LT Liab $5M
Credit Deffered Asset $5m

SHOW ME THE GAIN!!!
This post was edited on 11/16/18 at 4:42 pm
Posted by crazyLSUstudent
391 miles away from Tiger Stadium
Member since Mar 2012
6043 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 4:41 pm to
Les is smart and do not ever let anyone convenience you otherwise. You do not run multiple top tier P5 football programs without being sharp
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
36544 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 4:43 pm to
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They did. They also spent $1.5MM more than they needed to.

Congrats Les!!!



Listen bud, I’m not saying you’re mentally challenged, but you might want to have a couple tests run
Posted by biscuitsngravy
Tejas, north America
Member since Jan 2011
3775 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 4:49 pm to
He could have pulled a Charlie Strong. USF is paying the guy very little. So Texas is still on the hook. Texas is basically paying for usf coach. Les could have done the same thing. Instead he takes a discount walks away. He gave us the gift of money. Hes class.
Posted by TheHat7
Member since Oct 2015
7189 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 4:51 pm to
Know not no.. Mr businessman
This post was edited on 11/16/18 at 4:52 pm
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
36544 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 4:51 pm to
I’m still trying to figure out how letting us off the hook for $5mm less than we owed him is not a win for LSU
Posted by biscuitsngravy
Tejas, north America
Member since Jan 2011
3775 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 4:52 pm to
Absolutely is...
Posted by MisslePig
Member since Jul 2018
1148 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 4:53 pm to
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Absolutely is...


No one's questioning that. Some people are just saying that Les milked them of that 1.5mm and they probably didn't need to pay it, most people disagree.
Posted by RummelTiger
Official TD Sauces Club Member
Member since Aug 2004
92900 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 4:55 pm to
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Miles unethical negotiation at LSU
If Miles gets the Kansas job which is being reported as likely, What he did to LSU in his negotiations is highly unethical. If he knew he had the Kansas job locked, he just knowingly screwed LSU out of another $1.5 Mil.




lol... Oh, man. This place...
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12635 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 4:56 pm to
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I'm agreeing with EVERYTHING your saying, and this point is the X factor that we most likely will never know. I make a series of assumptions that leads to LSU saving $6.5mm. You're assumptions lead you to LSU saving $5mm.

So let’s look at the possible assumptions here. There are a few different scenarios that lead to different outcomes for LSU, Les, and KU:

Miles chooses not to coach
If Les continues with the status quo, he continues to collect from LSU over the next 4 years.
- LSU pays Les $6.5MM
- KU pays Les $0
- Les collects $6.5MM

Miles goes to KU for less money
If the KU contract is less than $1.6MM/year, LSU has to make up the difference. For this analysis, let’s say he gets a four-year contract from KU at $1MM per.
- LSU pays Les roughly $2.5MM
- KU pays Les $4MM
- Les collects $6.5MM

Miles goes to KU for equal or more money
If the KU contract is greater than $1.6MM/year, LSU owes nothing. However, LSU’s obligation does come back if he gets fired or leaves KU before the buyout period is over. Let’s assume KU gives Les a 4-year deal at $2MM per.
- LSU pays Les $0 (assuming he makes it through the full four years)
- KU pays Les $8MM
- Les collects $8MM

Miles goes to KU for equal or greater money, but they backload the contract to take advantage of buyout
I think this is the most likely scenario if Les doesn’t negotiate the lump sum with LSU. It allows KU to negotiate a contract where Les makes more money over a four-year period while simultaneously reducing KU’s out-of-pocket obligations. For example, let’s say they negotiate a contract worth $500k in year one, $1MM in year two, $1.5MM in year three, and $3.2MM in year four. LSU would be in the hook for the difference in years one-three, and would still have further risk if Kansas fires Les before year four.
- LSU pays Les $1.8MM (assuming he makes it through the full four years)
- KU pays Les $6.2MM
- Les collects $8MM

Miles negotiates lump sum payment on buyout
This puts Miles in the best negotiating position, as it prevents KU from using his buyout to save money. Kind of like selling your vehicle yourself so you don’t have to negotiate a trade-in. Let’s say KU still thinks Miles is worth $8MM over four years.
- LSU pays Les $1.5MM
- KU pays Les $8MM
- Les collects $9.5MM

So 3/4 of these alternatives to the lump sum result in LSU paying MORE than $1.5MM, while 1/4 results in LSU paying less. Also, all of the alternatives still leave LSU with further liability if Miles loses his job at KU. The lump sum is a win for LSU because it eliminates risk. The lump sum also gives Les the highest take-home pay out of all examples. I don’t get why people don’t understand this is a win-win for both parties.
Posted by timlan2057
In the Shadow of Tiger Stadium
Member since Sep 2005
19681 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 4:56 pm to
I can tell you work the third shift at the Dairy Queen.
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
Ponchatoula
Member since Aug 2004
48800 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 4:57 pm to
quote:

If Miles gets the Kansas job which is being reported as likely, What he did to LSU in his negotiations is highly unethical. If he knew he had the Kansas job locked, he just knowingly screwed LSU out of another $1.5 Mil.




Dumb arse that is why he settled for 1.5 million. That is the difference between what Kansas will pay him and LSU owed him before the negotiated deal.
Posted by kew48
Covington Louisiana
Member since Sep 2006
1543 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 5:16 pm to
"lostinbr: Miles goes to KU for equal or greater money, but they backload the contract to take advantage of buyout"

This is a real possibility and makes the most sense as to why LSU went ahead with the settlement !
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161245 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 5:22 pm to
This is why Louisiana education is bad, some of you reproduce
Posted by weptiger
Georgia
Member since Feb 2007
11606 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 5:24 pm to
Boo....you don’t understand the simple equation here. Everyone goes on their merry way and are pleased with the mutually beneficial outcome. Good for Les, good for LSU. I hope he has success at KU.
This post was edited on 11/16/18 at 5:25 pm
Posted by ItTakesAThief
Scottsdale, Arizona
Member since Dec 2009
10315 posts
Posted on 11/16/18 at 5:25 pm to
Nope LSU owes him money. He negotiated a deal that made it better for LSU to get out.

He could have taken a cheap Kansas deal and made LSU continue to pay him the balance.
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