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re: Men’s Basketball Program
Posted on 3/20/24 at 12:43 pm to JimTiger72
Posted on 3/20/24 at 12:43 pm to JimTiger72
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Y1: 15-20 (4-14) Y2: 11-20 (5-13) Y3: 18-14 (7-12) Y4: 26-8 (13-5) NCAA R2 Y5: 30-10 (11-7) SECT Champ + Final Four
So you’re saying even a coach as good as Pearl that had success at a high level before coming to Auburn still took to year 4 to get where he is??
We absolutely underachieved in year 2 let me tell you..
Interesting..
This post was edited on 3/20/24 at 12:44 pm
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Posted on 3/20/24 at 12:44 pm to JWill409
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He beat Buzz Williams on the road and Calipari
Hang the banners
Posted on 3/20/24 at 12:45 pm to PNG Futbol
quote:Again, IMHO, depends on what teams you are talking about.
There are few, if any, of players on our roster that would start on most other SEC teams.
I think that depends on which team you are talking about, I'd say relative to the rest of the SEC we would rate somewhere in the 8-10 range in relative talent....I'd say there are 4 teams we just have nowhere near the talent than and can't really compete with, about 4-6 other teams that we have comparable talent and can compete with on most nights and about 3 teams we have a bit more talent than IMHO
Some of our players receiving significant minutes would not get much playing time on most other SEC teams. We need more horses to compete.
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McMahon has room to improve as a coach as people have suggested. I believe that the biggest need for the program is better players at a number of positions. Paint presence, rim protection, rebounding, an above average point guard, etc. are all things that we need.
Of course talent is the key. And the key for me is being successful on a consistent basis and to me successful is competing for an SEC title most years and making the NCAA tourney most years. And for me and what most LSU fans should want and expect, we should reasonably expect something of that nature to start next year, and I'm having a hard time seeing that right now. Hope I'm wrong.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 12:45 pm to JWill409
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So you’re saying even a coach as good as Pearl that had success at a high level before coming to Auburn still took to year 4 to get where he is?? We absolutely underachieved in year 2 let me tell you.. Interesting.
What were the portal rules when he got to Auburn?
Posted on 3/20/24 at 12:51 pm to MeanStreak
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As for us not being an above average basketball brand you can agree or not. I would say we are top 4-5 in sec history for legacy and accomplishments.
I wish we were too, but the facts don't support it.
Kentucky, Arkansas, and Florida all own Nattys. Yeah, we're 4th in SEC Titles and 3rd in SECPOY awards, but legacies are all about rings and not only do we not have any, we haven't gotten particularly close any time recently.
Our "legacy" is Pete and Shaq. Not nothing, but not enough.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 12:53 pm to purplengold1
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What were the portal rules when he got to Auburn?
And like clockwork here come the justifications yet again.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 12:55 pm to JimTiger72
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Ask Chuck Person
A non-sequitur. THAT'S your best response?
Come on. You can do better than that, right?
Posted on 3/20/24 at 12:56 pm to JWill409
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Good lord I wonder what you same people have to say about Chris Beard? How terrible is he??
Just remember, in the minds of LSU basketball "fans" Chris Beard was available and we chose to hire MM instead..
The amount of disdain I generated by saying Ole Miss is overrated despite providing facts and evidence (like beating Detroit Mercy by 1 point)... but what happened to everyone saying they were gonna finish ahead of us in SEC and make the NCAAT?
Posted on 3/20/24 at 12:59 pm to SaveFarris
So you are saying you can only put 3 teams definitively above us in the SEC and we have historically good alums. I didn't say we were an elite basketball brand or even better than the vast majority. Some of you need to understand what the term above average means.
This post was edited on 3/20/24 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 3/20/24 at 12:59 pm to JWill409
quote:It’s a bogus comparison. Tossing out Bruce Pearl’s record at Auburn without any context as a justification for CoachMc is ridiculous and deserves the ridicule that has followed.
And like clockwork here come the justifications yet again.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 1:04 pm to drizztiger
You don’t get it, when someone like him builds a narrative it’s 100% built on “context” which is really just bias and double standards but if you introduce real context it’s always dismissed. That’s the mental gymnastics of someone who isn’t interested in objectivity.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 2:36 pm to mcmaniacinsaneasylum
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But how can you run a ball screen offense with a center that... doesn't set good ball screens?? And has no ability to score off the roll? You can't.
That was kind of my point man.
Idk why ppl are worked up over me a throwing Baker a bone that he is a good *shooting* center. I tore apart every other aspect of his game.
I realize it’s not 1970 & never said you don’t need guards, but somebody has to play C & almost everyone we played this year had an advantage at the position.
This post was edited on 3/20/24 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 3/20/24 at 3:12 pm to DeathByTossDive225
Most of the posters here don't know squat about basketball. All they know is wins and losses. Period. They never ran anything. They never built anything. They never coached anything. They never put their nuts on the line for anything. They are the generation of instant gratification raised on the internet. Basically they are all hat no cattle. Saying a program can be turned around in 1 year and saying a program MUST be turned around in 1 year are two completely different things. But you have to look at the mentality of the people you are arguing with. The same people who said Denbrock couldn't coach in the SEC. The same people who wanted Jayden Daniels benched or not to return. Hell the same people who wanted Kiffen to replace Kelly after last year. Either Mcmahon will figure out the portal and provide competitive teams or he won't and he will be replaced. It's really that simple and whether he's winning in year 3 or 4 or he's losing in year 3 or 4 really doesn't matter. If he gets to the tournament in years 3 and/or 4 are we really going to care whether it took him 1 year or 3 years. Not to the sane rational people. Wade will probably stay another year at Mcneese just as a reward for them giving him the opportunity and the extension they just gave him. He knows he can dominate that conference and be in the NCAA again next year. If MM was to totally bomb, which I don't expect, then maybe that would be a scenerio where he could come back. But if Mcmahon exceeds this years record or comes close to NCAA bubble but doesn't make it due extenuating circumstances like injury to a key player or something like that then he will be here for a 4th year. If you are losing sleep over that then you really need to get a life.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 3:27 pm to mcspufftiger7
quote:Holy wall of text, Batman. <--- that should show my age.
Most of the posters here don't know squat about basketball. All they know is wins and losses. Period. They never ran anything. They never built anything. They never coached anything. They never put their nuts on the line for anything. They are the generation of instant gratification raised on the internet. Basically they are all hat no cattle. Saying a program can be turned around in 1 year and saying a program MUST be turned around in 1 year are two completely different things. But you have to look at the mentality of the people you are arguing with. The same people who said Denbrock couldn't coach in the SEC. The same people who wanted Jayden Daniels benched or not to return. Hell the same people who wanted Kiffen to replace Kelly after last year. Either Mcmahon will figure out the portal and provide competitive teams or he won't and he will be replaced. It's really that simple and whether he's winning in year 3 or 4 or he's losing in year 3 or 4 really doesn't matter. If he gets to the tournament in years 3 and/or 4 are we really going to care whether it took him 1 year or 3 years. Not to the sane rational people. Wade will probably stay another year at Mcneese just as a reward for them giving him the opportunity and the extension they just gave him. He knows he can dominate that conference and be in the NCAA again next year. If MM was to totally bomb, which I don't expect, then maybe that would be a scenerio where he could come back. But if Mcmahon exceeds this years record or comes close to NCAA bubble but doesn't make it due extenuating circumstances like injury to a key player or something like that then he will be here for a 4th year. If you are losing sleep over that then you really need to get a life.
There's a darn break key in there somewhere.
Many of us have both rejoiced and suffered through LSU Basketball trials and tribulations. My journey has been 40+ years of watching LSU Basketball. For others it's been longer.
And btw, Wade isn't coming back here. I think most people just like making NCCATs on the regular and fricking with guys like you.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 3:38 pm to mcspufftiger7
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Most of the posters here don't know squat about basketball.
I agree with this. But then you went off the rails
Posted on 3/20/24 at 3:49 pm to saturncube21
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Next year is the year I’m judging him on
While I think there may be some troubling indicators I. His first two years it is hard to judge based on the situation he came into (despite what some rantards may say). But any of those things are cleared out now. His incoming class was probably still a little impacted by the uncertainty with the NCAA but the transfer class should not be.
My benchmark for next season is top 1/3 of the SEC, a tournament bid, and either a top 15 recruiting class or top half of the SEC recruiting class.
None of those seem impossible but none seem better than a 50/50 prospect given what needs to be replaced.
Just my take.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 3:50 pm to mcmaniacinsaneasylum
quote:Mcpuffnstuff puts the terms "Wade", "cult", "mental health" into an AI generator and copy/pastes the results here.
I agree with this. But then you went off the rails
There is no way anyone takes him seriously. At least I hope not.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 3:56 pm to drizztiger
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Mcpuffnstuff puts the terms "Wade", "cult", "mental health" into an AI generator and copy/pastes the results here. There is no way anyone takes him seriously. At least I hope not.
We should start a fund to get him a new keyboard. His current one is missing the enter key
Posted on 3/20/24 at 4:04 pm to mcmaniacinsaneasylum
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We should start a fund to get him a new keyboard. His current one is missing the enter key
I’m on board with this baw. Maybe toss in a dictionary as well? I’ll donate.
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