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Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:44 pm
Posted by MeanStreak
Member since Nov 2015
295 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:44 pm
First of all, this is a conversation that need not involve Will Wade. Many look admirably in his tenure, and for good reason, but he’s gone and he isn’t coming back.

That said let’s have an honest conversation about the basketball program. MM is not an SEC caliber coach and that begins with recruiting. He has pulled in very little with an elite college brand and above average basketball brand. Basically his best gets are transfers that were loyalist from Murray St and in state kids no other SEC school would have spent a scholarship on. His HS signees are are developmental guys that show average SEC starter potential. If we cannot get elite talent we will not be a consistently competitive SEC team. I believe he is a good floor coach and gets a good bit from his talent, but that will serve him much better in a mid major coaching role. In the end college basketball is about amassing talent and I don’t see a world where MM flips that switch if he hasn’t already at LSU.

Also the people who defend him just to spite the WW sycophants, you are defending a coach who just lost home games to Nicholls and North Texas and had to battle to come back against a few other less than worthy teams in the same floor. In what other sport would any Tiger fan support that level of mediocrity. Just because you acknowledge the guy isn’t right for the job doesn’t mean you are praising the former coach.

I honestly believe it would serve us best to cut ties and go after a new basketball coach, but it won’t happen this year. I say this thinking 2023-24 has been much closer to a ceiling for MM than the floor.
Posted by tigerbait2010
PNW
Member since May 2006
29158 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:46 pm to
I’d be much more encouraged had we signed a top 15 class and a couple of transfers, but now we’re going to have to somehow sign 7 damn good transfers that don’t all have Louisiana ties (what all of McMahon’s transfers had).
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
47651 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:48 pm to
Correct, aside from the fundamental problems.. bad defense, limited offense, turnovers, bad situational coaching, free throws, McMahon just doesn’t have many tricks in his bag. We have no change up on offense or defense, no pressure D, no zone and on offense he’s behind the curve in terms of what successful college offenses are doing. He’s a mid major coach, someone who can coach one specific area well but doesn’t have enough in his arsenal to compete in the big conferences.
Posted by JimTiger72
Member since Jun 2023
4753 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:49 pm to
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lost home games to Nicholls and North Texas


You do realize UNT was better than 6 other SEC teams this year right? Everyone agrees the Nicholls loss was bad, but it’s silly to group these two together.
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Just because you acknowledge the guy isn’t right for the job

It’s hard to say after year two. There were good & bad moments this year. He’s got next year to improve or he’s gone

Posted by Pnels08
Member since Jul 2014
9179 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:50 pm to
I've seen some good but I've also seen a good bit of WTF.


Id like to see us make a jump next year similar to what Florida did this season. But we have GOT to get to portalling. Have to replace half the rotation this off-season.
Posted by Big4SALTbro
Member since Jun 2019
14815 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:50 pm to
He just isn’t a big time coach. He belongs at Murray state not in the sec.

He is too nice to get in the mud with the shitbags like Nate Oats
Posted by SportsGuyNOLA
New Orleans, LA
Member since May 2014
16977 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:51 pm to
quote:

I honestly believe it would serve us best to cut ties and go after a new basketball coach, but it won’t happen this year. I say this thinking 2023-24 has been much closer to a ceiling for MM than the floor.


100% agree
Posted by saturncube21
Member since Nov 2015
7269 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:51 pm to
Next year is the year I’m judging him on
Posted by tigerbait01
Sec. 423 Row 18
Member since Jul 2007
3935 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:52 pm to
TLDR
Want Wade
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
47651 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:53 pm to
He’s so far behind what the good teams are doing. We’re still running that high ball screen as the main set when college defenses have figured it out now. On D we’re playing like it’s 1980, there’s no ball pressure, we don’t hedge properly, our coverages are antithetical to the percentages. He’s just not the caliber of coach for this level.
Posted by MeanStreak
Member since Nov 2015
295 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:54 pm to
Again, defending a loss to a mid major team at home isn’t something I’m interested in as a lifetime LSU Basketball fan and season ticket holder. It’s ok to expect better and be realistic about what doesn’t work.
Posted by Gus007
TN
Member since Jul 2018
11969 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:55 pm to
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Next year is the year I’m judging him on




What is magical about next year?
Are you supporting the BS, "This is year one" crap spewed by Woody?
Posted by Big4SALTbro
Member since Jun 2019
14815 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:55 pm to
This

Then top it off with he can’t or wont recruit studs and we end up with non elite talent in outdated schemes and our ceiling is 9-9 in conference
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28257 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:56 pm to
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Correct, aside from the fundamental problems.. bad defense, limited offense, turnovers, bad situational coaching, free throws, McMahon just doesn’t have many tricks in his bag. We have no change up on offense or defense, no pressure D, no zone and on offense he’s behind the curve in terms of what successful college offenses are doing. He’s a mid major coach, someone who can coach one specific area well but doesn’t have enough in his arsenal to compete in the big conferences


I want to say you are wrong. Really, I do. But in two years his teams have done nothing well. Yes, they improved this year from awful to below average. But the are still going to be among the bottom 1/3rd of major conference programs on both ends of the floor. Sometimes teams are unbalanced. Great on one end. Bad on the other. North Texas is kind of one of those teams. LSU is balanced. They are equally poor in each end of the floor. That not just a “lack of talent”.


Posted by LSUfan2008
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2005
2462 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:57 pm to
It isn’t just that we lost to a mid major. This was a team that we beat earlier in the year away from home, then come back and get dominated outside of a late push. We regressed from that game to this one
Posted by Hooligan's Ghost
Member since Jul 2013
5184 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:58 pm to
will Tre Dez Green be an impact player?
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
47651 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:59 pm to
And that’s the thing, a guy with his resume isn’t going to just start pulling star recruits. First you gotta play a quality brand of ball regardless of record. That was last season and he failed to do that. Next you have to win, not 9-9, win with talent like what we have this season. You do that year two through maybe 3 or4 then you’ll start getting guys. The problem is we’re still on 1st base because he’s the foundation and the foundation is cracked.
Posted by Big4SALTbro
Member since Jun 2019
14815 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:59 pm to
That seems to be the constant with MM the team regresses as it goes on.

Last year he started out good but clearly flawed then it was all bad for the rest of the year

This year we started out bad, climbed up and the peak was beating UK and then rolled back down hill.
Posted by drizztiger
Deal With it!
Member since Mar 2007
36883 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 9:01 pm to
I hate every LSU Basketball fan, starting with myself and extended to the other six of you.

frick this nonsense and also your thread title sucks.
Posted by Big4SALTbro
Member since Jun 2019
14815 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 9:06 pm to
Yea he is who he is at this point. He plays a boring outdated style of basketball.

He is a nice but incredibly boring coach. He doesn’t bring any fire to coaching or the other part which is program management/booster management.

It’s not surprising he isn’t good at these things as mid major coaches don’t really have to deal with those as much.

Basketball is third rank at LSU so it takes a good coach that can engage to get the program rolling.

Dale had it in him until he fought the ncaa too far and he just got too old. Dale knew how to get kids here and he wasn’t scared to be dirty. Now since coaching he hasn’t helped us but at one point and time daddy Dale knew how to make LSU a winner.

No surprise the only other coach since Brown to rise up and stay up was young Will Wade. A engaging exciting young coach that brought energy to practice and recruiting.

John Brady the next most successful could only pull it together once every 3 years.

Then you have the boring stuck in the mid guys like TJ and JJ

MM is very similar to TJ. He is boring outdated and doesn’t look like he can manage the aspects of being a sec coach.
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