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Men’s Basketball Program
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:44 pm
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:44 pm
First of all, this is a conversation that need not involve Will Wade. Many look admirably in his tenure, and for good reason, but he’s gone and he isn’t coming back.
That said let’s have an honest conversation about the basketball program. MM is not an SEC caliber coach and that begins with recruiting. He has pulled in very little with an elite college brand and above average basketball brand. Basically his best gets are transfers that were loyalist from Murray St and in state kids no other SEC school would have spent a scholarship on. His HS signees are are developmental guys that show average SEC starter potential. If we cannot get elite talent we will not be a consistently competitive SEC team. I believe he is a good floor coach and gets a good bit from his talent, but that will serve him much better in a mid major coaching role. In the end college basketball is about amassing talent and I don’t see a world where MM flips that switch if he hasn’t already at LSU.
Also the people who defend him just to spite the WW sycophants, you are defending a coach who just lost home games to Nicholls and North Texas and had to battle to come back against a few other less than worthy teams in the same floor. In what other sport would any Tiger fan support that level of mediocrity. Just because you acknowledge the guy isn’t right for the job doesn’t mean you are praising the former coach.
I honestly believe it would serve us best to cut ties and go after a new basketball coach, but it won’t happen this year. I say this thinking 2023-24 has been much closer to a ceiling for MM than the floor.
That said let’s have an honest conversation about the basketball program. MM is not an SEC caliber coach and that begins with recruiting. He has pulled in very little with an elite college brand and above average basketball brand. Basically his best gets are transfers that were loyalist from Murray St and in state kids no other SEC school would have spent a scholarship on. His HS signees are are developmental guys that show average SEC starter potential. If we cannot get elite talent we will not be a consistently competitive SEC team. I believe he is a good floor coach and gets a good bit from his talent, but that will serve him much better in a mid major coaching role. In the end college basketball is about amassing talent and I don’t see a world where MM flips that switch if he hasn’t already at LSU.
Also the people who defend him just to spite the WW sycophants, you are defending a coach who just lost home games to Nicholls and North Texas and had to battle to come back against a few other less than worthy teams in the same floor. In what other sport would any Tiger fan support that level of mediocrity. Just because you acknowledge the guy isn’t right for the job doesn’t mean you are praising the former coach.
I honestly believe it would serve us best to cut ties and go after a new basketball coach, but it won’t happen this year. I say this thinking 2023-24 has been much closer to a ceiling for MM than the floor.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:46 pm to MeanStreak
I’d be much more encouraged had we signed a top 15 class and a couple of transfers, but now we’re going to have to somehow sign 7 damn good transfers that don’t all have Louisiana ties (what all of McMahon’s transfers had).
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:48 pm to MeanStreak
Correct, aside from the fundamental problems.. bad defense, limited offense, turnovers, bad situational coaching, free throws, McMahon just doesn’t have many tricks in his bag. We have no change up on offense or defense, no pressure D, no zone and on offense he’s behind the curve in terms of what successful college offenses are doing. He’s a mid major coach, someone who can coach one specific area well but doesn’t have enough in his arsenal to compete in the big conferences.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:49 pm to MeanStreak
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lost home games to Nicholls and North Texas
You do realize UNT was better than 6 other SEC teams this year right? Everyone agrees the Nicholls loss was bad, but it’s silly to group these two together.
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Just because you acknowledge the guy isn’t right for the job
It’s hard to say after year two. There were good & bad moments this year. He’s got next year to improve or he’s gone
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:50 pm to MeanStreak
I've seen some good but I've also seen a good bit of WTF.
Id like to see us make a jump next year similar to what Florida did this season. But we have GOT to get to portalling. Have to replace half the rotation this off-season.
Id like to see us make a jump next year similar to what Florida did this season. But we have GOT to get to portalling. Have to replace half the rotation this off-season.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:50 pm to Madking
He just isn’t a big time coach. He belongs at Murray state not in the sec.
He is too nice to get in the mud with the shitbags like Nate Oats
He is too nice to get in the mud with the shitbags like Nate Oats
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:51 pm to MeanStreak
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I honestly believe it would serve us best to cut ties and go after a new basketball coach, but it won’t happen this year. I say this thinking 2023-24 has been much closer to a ceiling for MM than the floor.
100% agree
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:51 pm to MeanStreak
Next year is the year I’m judging him on
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:53 pm to Big4SALTbro
He’s so far behind what the good teams are doing. We’re still running that high ball screen as the main set when college defenses have figured it out now. On D we’re playing like it’s 1980, there’s no ball pressure, we don’t hedge properly, our coverages are antithetical to the percentages. He’s just not the caliber of coach for this level.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:54 pm to JimTiger72
Again, defending a loss to a mid major team at home isn’t something I’m interested in as a lifetime LSU Basketball fan and season ticket holder. It’s ok to expect better and be realistic about what doesn’t work.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:55 pm to saturncube21
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Next year is the year I’m judging him on
What is magical about next year?
Are you supporting the BS, "This is year one" crap spewed by Woody?
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:55 pm to Madking
This
Then top it off with he can’t or wont recruit studs and we end up with non elite talent in outdated schemes and our ceiling is 9-9 in conference
Then top it off with he can’t or wont recruit studs and we end up with non elite talent in outdated schemes and our ceiling is 9-9 in conference
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:56 pm to Madking
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Correct, aside from the fundamental problems.. bad defense, limited offense, turnovers, bad situational coaching, free throws, McMahon just doesn’t have many tricks in his bag. We have no change up on offense or defense, no pressure D, no zone and on offense he’s behind the curve in terms of what successful college offenses are doing. He’s a mid major coach, someone who can coach one specific area well but doesn’t have enough in his arsenal to compete in the big conferences
I want to say you are wrong. Really, I do. But in two years his teams have done nothing well. Yes, they improved this year from awful to below average. But the are still going to be among the bottom 1/3rd of major conference programs on both ends of the floor. Sometimes teams are unbalanced. Great on one end. Bad on the other. North Texas is kind of one of those teams. LSU is balanced. They are equally poor in each end of the floor. That not just a “lack of talent”.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:57 pm to MeanStreak
It isn’t just that we lost to a mid major. This was a team that we beat earlier in the year away from home, then come back and get dominated outside of a late push. We regressed from that game to this one
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:58 pm to MeanStreak
will Tre Dez Green be an impact player?
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:59 pm to Big4SALTbro
And that’s the thing, a guy with his resume isn’t going to just start pulling star recruits. First you gotta play a quality brand of ball regardless of record. That was last season and he failed to do that. Next you have to win, not 9-9, win with talent like what we have this season. You do that year two through maybe 3 or4 then you’ll start getting guys. The problem is we’re still on 1st base because he’s the foundation and the foundation is cracked.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:59 pm to LSUfan2008
That seems to be the constant with MM the team regresses as it goes on.
Last year he started out good but clearly flawed then it was all bad for the rest of the year
This year we started out bad, climbed up and the peak was beating UK and then rolled back down hill.
Last year he started out good but clearly flawed then it was all bad for the rest of the year
This year we started out bad, climbed up and the peak was beating UK and then rolled back down hill.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 9:01 pm to MeanStreak
I hate every LSU Basketball fan, starting with myself and extended to the other six of you.
frick this nonsense and also your thread title sucks.
frick this nonsense and also your thread title sucks.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 9:06 pm to Madking
Yea he is who he is at this point. He plays a boring outdated style of basketball.
He is a nice but incredibly boring coach. He doesn’t bring any fire to coaching or the other part which is program management/booster management.
It’s not surprising he isn’t good at these things as mid major coaches don’t really have to deal with those as much.
Basketball is third rank at LSU so it takes a good coach that can engage to get the program rolling.
Dale had it in him until he fought the ncaa too far and he just got too old. Dale knew how to get kids here and he wasn’t scared to be dirty. Now since coaching he hasn’t helped us but at one point and time daddy Dale knew how to make LSU a winner.
No surprise the only other coach since Brown to rise up and stay up was young Will Wade. A engaging exciting young coach that brought energy to practice and recruiting.
John Brady the next most successful could only pull it together once every 3 years.
Then you have the boring stuck in the mid guys like TJ and JJ
MM is very similar to TJ. He is boring outdated and doesn’t look like he can manage the aspects of being a sec coach.
He is a nice but incredibly boring coach. He doesn’t bring any fire to coaching or the other part which is program management/booster management.
It’s not surprising he isn’t good at these things as mid major coaches don’t really have to deal with those as much.
Basketball is third rank at LSU so it takes a good coach that can engage to get the program rolling.
Dale had it in him until he fought the ncaa too far and he just got too old. Dale knew how to get kids here and he wasn’t scared to be dirty. Now since coaching he hasn’t helped us but at one point and time daddy Dale knew how to make LSU a winner.
No surprise the only other coach since Brown to rise up and stay up was young Will Wade. A engaging exciting young coach that brought energy to practice and recruiting.
John Brady the next most successful could only pull it together once every 3 years.
Then you have the boring stuck in the mid guys like TJ and JJ
MM is very similar to TJ. He is boring outdated and doesn’t look like he can manage the aspects of being a sec coach.
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