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re: MBB: LSU 90 vs. Southern Miss 62 FINAL...Tigers Win! Improve to 12-1!

Posted on 12/29/25 at 9:19 pm to
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
47655 posts
Posted on 12/29/25 at 9:19 pm to
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LSU's next opponent, Texas A&M, is BLASTING Prairie View in Reed Arena, 93-69 with 6:57 remaining.


They also both played SMU on neutral courts. LSU won 89-77. A&M lost in OT 93-80 in OT. As long as we are doing the transitive comparisons.
Posted by Good Times
Hill top in Tn
Member since Nov 2007
24866 posts
Posted on 12/29/25 at 9:21 pm to
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They also both played SMU on neutral courts. LSU won 89-77. A&M lost in OT 93-80 in OT. As long as we are doing the transitive comparisons.


Awww, you connected too many dots.
Posted by Tom Bronco
Austin, TX
Member since Jun 2011
2911 posts
Posted on 12/29/25 at 9:29 pm to
If you have YouTube TV, then you also have ESPN and can watch it on that channel SEC plus.
Posted by tarzana
TX Hwy 6-- the Brazos River Valley
Member since Sep 2015
32103 posts
Posted on 12/29/25 at 9:29 pm to
I'll report back from College Station Saturday. I'll be there in purple and gold. I hope LSU can duplicate tonight's effort in Reed Arena -- want to go back home supporting a 13-1 winner!
Posted by ScootiniTiger
New Orleans
Member since Mar 2007
3327 posts
Posted on 12/29/25 at 9:41 pm to
There was a mens BB game today?
Posted by Thecoz
Member since Dec 2018
3965 posts
Posted on 12/29/25 at 9:45 pm to
Yes sir.
Drinks were cold… popcorn was bottom less and tigers won…

Nice evening here on campus.
Posted by TexasTiger33
United States of America
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 12/29/25 at 10:13 pm to
Posted by jamarr
Member since Jul 2019
1767 posts
Posted on 12/29/25 at 10:15 pm to
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Robert Miller needs to learn to leave his feet sometimes.


yes this is troubling. the bench is not scoring and were massively outscored by the southern miss bench.

the terrible athleticism of zipper is not encouraging, and the lack of aggressiveness from Miller is no good.

but the energy of tamba, the seemingly always available thomas-nwoko lobs and mackinnons shooting and thomas distributing means 10-8 in the league and a ticket to dance.
This post was edited on 12/29/25 at 10:16 pm
Posted by Mats86
Member since Mar 2021
6263 posts
Posted on 12/29/25 at 10:25 pm to
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yes this is troubling. the bench is not scoring and were massively outscored by the southern miss bench

I agree, the bench isn’t holding momentum. Watching the game it seems the team doesn’t trust miller like they do Nwoko.

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the terrible athleticism of zipper is not encouraging

I honestly would rather see Mosley, who does appear that he might need to gain some muscle, but is in under control and has a good shot.

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but the energy of tamba

Watching him in person as opposed to on tv give me a little more appreciation for him. He’s doing the right things off ball. And he is aggressive with loose balls. Really like him and Sutton.
Posted by jamarr
Member since Jul 2019
1767 posts
Posted on 12/29/25 at 10:29 pm to
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Watching the game it seems the team doesn’t trust miller


maybe the loss of reed to play down low hurt Miller, as I think Miller wants to play away from the basket and occasionally shoot and drive but when nwoko is out he has to play down low like a 5.

used to be you could bring reed and Miller in together and let Miller move around a little more but now he is camped out under the basket pushing the opposing 5 around.
Posted by slutiger5
Parroquias de Florida
Member since May 2007
12330 posts
Posted on 12/29/25 at 10:52 pm to
Fortunately, there’s currently no problem as we’re 12-1 and what 1-1 vs q2 teams. From what I’ve seen, I don’t think CMM can adjust the starters. Miller still looks to still be figuring out how to get involved, that or he’s stoned. Crossing fingers he can Atleast improve a rebound or blocking presence and believe he will. Don’t think Mosley, carter, zipp can be more that 3-5 minute subs because they haven’t scene the floor enough. So no clue what they can or can’t do. But points of the bench could be a problem. Long story short, Sutton off the bench still 30 minutes played? Exactly, not many options.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
37341 posts
Posted on 12/29/25 at 11:18 pm to
I think Miller will play up to tougher competition. I am hopeful that King or Carter picks things up on offense in conference play. Mostly has looked good but not sure he will get many opportunities.
Posted by Randythetiger
Member since Jun 2025
216 posts
Posted on 12/29/25 at 11:26 pm to
This was their worst shooting night of the year. Maybe our defense is good?
Posted by Randythetiger
Member since Jun 2025
216 posts
Posted on 12/29/25 at 11:29 pm to
Yes, keep watching the children
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
18728 posts
Posted on 12/30/25 at 6:54 am to
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f anyone wonders how the Quad games are determined, it uses the NET rankings as follows.



So NET is still the go to metric it seems? If they are using it to determine Quadrants it seems to be.

I know other metrics like Kenpom and BPI. The old RPI that used to be used to seed tournament teams seems to have fallen by the wayside.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
47655 posts
Posted on 12/30/25 at 6:58 am to
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1-1 vs q2 teams.
Q1 teams. Currently, we have no Q2 games. Of course the net rankings are fluid so that could changeafter the next update.

Q1 - 1-1
Q2 - 0-0
Q3 - 3-0
Q4 - 7-0

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Don’t think Mosley, carter, zipp can be more that 3-5 minute subs because they haven’t scene the floor enough


Yeah, Zipper has looked a little overwhelmed at times. I think Carter and Mosely could add quality minutes, from time to time, but I wouldn't want to have to depend on them just yet. I also find there is a big drop-off when Reese is in for Thomas.
Posted by SOL2
Dallas burbs
Member since Jan 2020
8998 posts
Posted on 12/30/25 at 7:02 am to
Good game
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
47655 posts
Posted on 12/30/25 at 7:19 am to
Net is probably the largest factor the committee looks at but it is not all of it. Here is what AI tells me.

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March Madness seeding uses a mix of predictive metrics (NET, KenPom, BPI, Torvik) and results-based metrics (Strength of Record, KPI, Wins Above Bubble) to evaluate teams, with the NCAA Committee focusing heavily on the NET rankings, especially its quadrant system for quality wins and losses, alongside qualitative factors like injuries and travel to create the final 1-68 seed list.

Key Metrics Used

NCAA Evaluation Tool (NET): The NCAA's primary tool, combining game results, strength of schedule, location, scoring margin (capped at 10 points, overtime at 1), and adjusted efficiency.

Quadrant System (part of NET): Ranks wins/losses based on opponent NET ranking and game location (home, neutral, away).

Strength of Record (SOR): A resume-based metric judging a team's record against its schedule.

Key Performance Indicator (KPI): Another resume metric for evaluating win quality.

Wins Above Bubble (WAB): A newer metric showing how many more/fewer wins a team has than a typical bubble team would have on the same schedule.

Basketball Power Index (BPI) (ESPN): A predictive measure of team strength, considering factors like efficiency, opponent strength, and game environment.

KenPom (Pomeroy) Ratings: Predictive metrics focusing on offensive and defensive efficiency.

Torvik (Bart Torvik) Metrics: Also predictive, based heavily on adjusted efficiency, with games degrading in value over time.

How the Committee Uses Them

No Single Metric: The committee doesn't rely on just one system, acknowledging that outliers exist.

Balancing Act: They use predictive metrics (NET, KenPom, BPI, Torvik) to assess a team's quality and results-based metrics (SOR, KPI, WAB) to evaluate their accomplishments.

Qualitative Factors: The committee also considers non-statistical elements like key player injuries, travel, and other game-specific context.

Voting Process: Committee members vote on teams, using these metrics as guides, to build the final seed list from 1 to 68.

Posted by Lapaz
Member since Dec 2018
860 posts
Posted on 12/30/25 at 7:22 am to
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maybe the loss of reed to play down low hurt Miller, as I think Miller wants to play away from the basket and occasionally shoot and drive but when nwoko is out he has to play down low like a 5. used to be you could bring reed and Miller in together and let Miller move around a little more but now he is camped out under the basket pushing the opposing 5 around.


Miller just needs to move his feet and get more aggressive to get boards. He should be a much better rebounder at his size. Coach should tell him to focus on rebounds and defense and less on offense. That will allow him to focus on getting position. Also should let him be a big body.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
35664 posts
Posted on 12/30/25 at 8:35 am to
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Net is probably the largest factor the committee looks at but it is not all of it.


NET is really the only data metric the committee uses. The reason is because it bakes in the other important criteria. KenPom, BPI, etc are included in the formula along with greater emphasis on wins away from home. True road wins count 2x as much as home wins. Neutral wins are 1.5x a home win. You also see that reflected in the quadrants where a Q1 home win requires a win over a top 30 team. A Q1 road win only requires a win over a top 75 team.

LSU's NET ranking right now is 34. Given they have one of the weaker SOS of the top 40 and are only 1-1 in Q1 games, the reason for the high ranking is LSU's data metrics are good. That's largely the result of a really efficient offense top 25-30. Plus, even though LSU has played a weak schedule, they've generally dominated it. They are in the top 20 nationally in average scoring margin (+18)

History has shown one of the biggest non-data metrics the committee places emphasis on is wins vs. other NCAA Tournament teams. Particularly in the non-conference portion of the schedule. A good case study may be 2024 Ole Miss vs. Miss. St.

Ole Miss was (in the regular season) 20-11 (7-11). Miss. State was 19-12 (8-10). Ole Miss went 13-0 vs a weak non conf. schedule. MSU went 11-2 in non-conf with the two losses coming to a bad Georgia Tech team and Southern. Yet, MSU was an 8 seed in the NCAAT. Ole Miss was left out. It wasn't because MSU had one more SEC win. It's because Miss St had two non-conf. wins over other NCAAT teams (Washington St and Northwestern). Ole Miss only had one such win and that was a complete fluke because it was over NC State who ONLY made the NCAAT because they had a miracle run in the ACC Tournament.

What DOES NOT matter, even though people seem to think it does, is conference standings. The conference standings don't even show up on the committee's team sheets they use to evaluate the teams. That's why, in part, LSU, who finished ahead of both Ole Miss and MSU in the SEC that season was still well behind both teams in the postseason selection order. What also DOES NOT matter is how a team performs in its last 10 games. That used to matter (it's why LSU made the tournament in 2003). It doesn't anymore.

Unfortunately, LSU's weak non-conf. schedule means that despite 12 wins, there is really only one of those wins (SMU) who look like a potential NCAAT team. LSU fans should be big SMU fans this year. That also means LSU is going to have to rack up SEC wins. As of now, I just don't see a scenario where a 7 SEC win LSU team gets in. They don't have enough good non-conf. wins to overcome that. IMO, 8 is the target to be in the discussion. And if we are really being picky, you'd LOVE to see 4 (or more) of those wins come on the road.
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