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re: Maybe it's the school, not the coach. Wisconsin D is dominating.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 1:14 pm to HubbaBubba
Posted on 10/6/19 at 1:14 pm to HubbaBubba
The average sorta smoothes out the misses
LSU has had amazing mostly DCs since 2000.
Will Muschamp
Bo Pellini
John Chavis
All amzing DCs. Muschamp and Pellini got premier HC jobs, Chavis is a DC lifer, and had consistently amazing defenses
Wisconsin has had great DCs and defensive HCs.
Bielema is a good defensive mind
Aranda is amazing
Justin Wilcox is now a HC
And now Leonard who is good.
Wisconsin also plays in a weak division in an already offensivly weak conference.
I mean how would our defense look playing Michigan State, Iowa, Northwestern , Illinois, Purdue, Nebraska and Minnosota every year?
Now LSU is great, but our DL hasn't been what it was under Muschamp, Chavis or Pellini.
And part of that was that we have been feeling the effects of late term Brick/Chavis and part of that is that we haven't recruited DL well the last 2 classes.
LSU has had amazing mostly DCs since 2000.
Will Muschamp
Bo Pellini
John Chavis
All amzing DCs. Muschamp and Pellini got premier HC jobs, Chavis is a DC lifer, and had consistently amazing defenses
Wisconsin has had great DCs and defensive HCs.
Bielema is a good defensive mind
Aranda is amazing
Justin Wilcox is now a HC
And now Leonard who is good.
Wisconsin also plays in a weak division in an already offensivly weak conference.
I mean how would our defense look playing Michigan State, Iowa, Northwestern , Illinois, Purdue, Nebraska and Minnosota every year?
Now LSU is great, but our DL hasn't been what it was under Muschamp, Chavis or Pellini.
And part of that was that we have been feeling the effects of late term Brick/Chavis and part of that is that we haven't recruited DL well the last 2 classes.
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Posted on 10/6/19 at 4:57 pm to BayouCowboy
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but UGA and even Ole Miss held Vandy to 6 points
We scored 36 more on Vandy than UGA did were their boards melting over a pitiful offense performance? After the opening drive we answered with a TD then held them to 3 e and outs and scored 3 more TDs it’s 28-7 at the end of the first.
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We allowed more points and yards to NW St than a D2 team did. It's a simple fact and not a reason to panic,
Well a there was panicking and b who gives a shite, we won by 50. We rested guys that were banged up that would have played if it was Florida or something. It’s human nature for the players not to care about a game like that. They would never say it but they know they won’t lose so it’s not the same intensity.
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So if the coaches say it's an issue, why do you say it's not?
Well Unless they shut everyone out and never allow a first down I expect the coaches to say there are issues. But I never said there was nothing to correct just that I wasn’t worried about and it and certainly wasn’t worth all the out right attacks on Aranda. You asked why people are afraid of honest analysis. Tell what’s “honest” about the OP? Why is someone suggesting that maybe it was just Wisconsin is always good and not that DA was a good DC?
Posted on 10/6/19 at 5:10 pm to H-Town Tiger
There's nothing dishonest about the OP. It's only statistical facts for moments in time that indicate the following conclusions:
A. Wisconsin's D was much improved against the national field during DA's tenure.
B. Wisconsin has maintained and/or exceeded that performance since he left.
C. LSU was performing, statistically, better on total defense against the national field, on average, than it has performed since DA took over as Defensive Coordinator.
Nothing was padded, so the numbers are what the numbers are. Nothing more. Nothing less.
A. Wisconsin's D was much improved against the national field during DA's tenure.
B. Wisconsin has maintained and/or exceeded that performance since he left.
C. LSU was performing, statistically, better on total defense against the national field, on average, than it has performed since DA took over as Defensive Coordinator.
Nothing was padded, so the numbers are what the numbers are. Nothing more. Nothing less.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 5:14 pm to HubbaBubba
But clearly no agenda either right? 
Posted on 10/6/19 at 5:26 pm to H-Town Tiger
Actually, it started out as a curious exercise and I was gathering the stats as I wrote it. I had no idea how it would come out when I started it, and I think I gave Aranda credit for what he achieved at Wisky, and stated he was a good coach, but that, so far, he has not achieved at LSU the success he had at Wisconsin. That's not an agenda, it's just a compilation of facts.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 5:48 pm to HubbaBubba
What ever the stats say, Aranda is a good DC. But the whole narrative that LSU will fall apart as soon as he leaves to take another job seems to me to be misguided. I hope we can hang on to him, but if he should leave, I am confident that LSU will be able to hire another very capable DC.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 6:00 pm to CatsGoneWild
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Big 10 competition vs SEC. huge difference
They've shutout three of their five opponents this year. That's impressive I don't care who you play. We gave up 375 yards and 38 points to Vanderbilt.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 6:11 pm to boxcar willie
quote:I don't know if you picked up my comment in the OP, but Wisconsin promoted a one-year, defensive backs coach, James Leonhard, to defensive coordinator. No other coaching experience, only defensive backfield journeyman player in the NFL for ten years. And yet, Wisky has an awesome defense this year.
I hope we can hang on to him, but if he should leave, I am confident that LSU will be able to hire another very capable DC.
He DID, however, study Aranda's defensive schemes and still applies them at Wisky to great success.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 6:27 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Exactly
Posted on 10/6/19 at 7:25 pm to Datbayoubengal
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For the most part Wisconsin plays nobody yearly.
Agree. Look at their schedule this year:
8/30/2019 @ South Florida 6 PM
9/7/2019 vs Central Michigan 2:30 PM
9/21/2019 vs Michigan 11 AM
9/28/2019 vs Northewestern TBA
10/5/2019 vs Kent State TBA
10/12/2019 @ Illinois TBA
10/19/2019 @ Ohio State TBA
11/9/2019 vs Iowa TBA
11/16/2019 @ Nebraska TBA
11/23/2019 vs Perdue TBA
11/30/2019 @ Minnesota
They play no team with an offense other than Ohio State. And they have a run-based offense that burns a lot of clock. If they hold the Buckeyes in check I’ll by into the defensive hype. But comparing an SEC defense to Wisconsin’s is really not possible.
This post was edited on 10/6/19 at 7:29 pm
Posted on 10/6/19 at 9:52 pm to David Bowman
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they have a run-based offense that burns a lot of clock.
This is a big part of it.
I’d be curious to see OP’s study done with more advanced metrics.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 9:58 pm to J2thaROC
It’s probably been mentioned but wisconsin’s division consists of:
U Illinois
U Iowa
U Minnesota
U Nebraska
Northwestern
Purdue
They play this powerhouse division every year plus rentawins plus nobody else.
U Illinois
U Iowa
U Minnesota
U Nebraska
Northwestern
Purdue
They play this powerhouse division every year plus rentawins plus nobody else.
This post was edited on 10/6/19 at 10:00 pm
Posted on 10/6/19 at 10:02 pm to HubbaBubba
Nice post.
Wisconsin plays in the Big 10. Besides Ohio State (which they don't play every year), there is no spread/RPO offenses.
Michigan? Iowa? Penn St? Nebraska? No.
They are all playing with two tight ends and a full back up there still.
Wisconsin plays in the Big 10. Besides Ohio State (which they don't play every year), there is no spread/RPO offenses.
Michigan? Iowa? Penn St? Nebraska? No.
They are all playing with two tight ends and a full back up there still.
Posted on 10/7/19 at 5:56 am to Pauldean
Remember the slogan "where's the beef"
has always been in the Wisconsin lines.
has always been in the Wisconsin lines.
Posted on 10/7/19 at 6:50 am to KevinFaulkDaGawd
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How do they keep finding these really good OL?
It’s the heritage up there. They have a huge German eastern European population that settled there back in the day. Nebraska produce a big lineman like clockwork and they still do.
Joe Paterno once said big strong lineman grow on trees up here- he would send his recruiters down south to get some speed and skill players.
Posted on 10/7/19 at 6:56 am to Dudebro2
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So, prior to the last 5 years most of the offenses in the SEC were run style offenses and the dominant teams, were defensively geared to stop the run. That same dynamic exists in the Big Ten. Now with the SEC offenses almost all going to the spread, look in the west, LSU, Bama, Ole Piss, aTm, Arky, and hurry up with Auburn. The SEC is scoring more therefore maybe the numbers don’t look as good. Where the Big Ten isn’t like that yet.
bro
the big10 was running the spread with Tiller and Drew Brees as well as the spread option at Northwestern...in the late 90s
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