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Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:03 am to Bottom9
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Wade invested his own salary and had to do things his own way because our admins simply don't give a shite about Basketball despite the potential for a massive return on investment. Wade had no backing from admins, boosters, and other people of influence (Dale Brown, Collis Temple, etc). He fricked up but he saw the potential here that apparently our admins don't see or give a frick about.
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Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:04 am to LSUChamps03
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As of yesterday S. Carolina wants McMahon, but he wants LSU. No offer had been extended from LSU yet.
That sounds like Billy Napier 2.0. Napier desperately wanted the LSU job and campaigned hard for it (unless you just think spots on BR LSU-centric sport's radio were a coincidence). Even with potential sanctions, LSU is still a better job than South Carolina. And even if McMahon would prefer the USC job, why not try to get LSU in the mix. Other AD's know Woodward isn't shy about offering HUGE contracts. Use LSU to drive USC's price up.
Hey, I was hopeful the poster discussing Drew was right. It just didn't make much sense. He has the Baylor program rolling right now. (Would have been) #1 seed in 2020. No. 1 seed and national champions in 2021. No. 1 seed in 2022. It is hard to see him grind from the very bottom for 20 years to reach that point only to then give it up for a program with an uncertain future.
IMO, Tony Bennett has always been the only logical "big name"...due almost entirely to his wife being a BR native and LSU alum. Still, pulling him away from UVA has always seemed like a VERY long shot. Virginia is still playing (NIT), so the longer LSU's coaching search goes on the more that COULD be a possibility. I just don't think it is a realistic possibility.
One name I would consider if I were Woodward is Steve Forbes at Wake Forest. It is not a name that jumps off the page, but the guy is well connected in recruiting circles throughout the southeast. Yes, there is a little bit of "dirt" on him from his time as an assistant at Tennessee with Bruce Pearl. But he can coach and recruit. You might remember he brought his ETSU team to the PMAC a few years back and completely outclassed the 19-20 LSU team. He gave Wake Forest a pulse this year for seemingly the first time in a while (just missing the NCAAT). He was named ACC COY.
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:15 am to tigerbait01
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I’m sorry but the dude has big pockets of other people’s money. It’s easy to make hires when you know you are throwing around a large amount of cash, you always have the security of knowing someone will bite.
How does that make him a bad ad? Doesn’t every sec ad basically have large amounts to throw around. The only way this isn’t true for any ad we would’ve hired is if there was an ad out there that gets big fish with little money to throw around.
Every ad we would or could hire would also be a guy throwing around money.
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:51 am to Bottom9
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to hire a guy who isn't as good of a coach as not his guy
Using tRant logic by just comparing records to judge a coaches worth...
WW - 0.671 overall coach record, 1st place conf finish twice (AT10/SEC), conf champ twice and 2-3 in NCAA tourney
McMahon - 0.697 pverall coach record, 1st place conf finish twice/tied for 1st another two, conf champ three times and 2-3 in NCAA tourney
Posted on 3/21/22 at 10:08 am to Alt26
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That sounds like Billy Napier 2.0. Napier desperately wanted the LSU job and campaigned hard for it
Wade did the same thing. Not via local media, but contacted LSU and got Eddie Nunez’s ear. It’s not necessarily a bad thing or unusual for a coach to express interest in and/or pursue a job before a school reaches out to him.
To be clear LSU reached out to McMahon. He’s met w/LSU and USCe and prefers LSU. I didn’t mean to indicate he’s politicking a la Napier, though I don’t fault Napier for going hard for the job he wanted. I see some find it distasteful, but it is what it is.
Posted on 3/21/22 at 10:10 am to Tigerpride18
Only issue I have is that people here act like he’s some God. I don’t care who’s money he’s spending or how much he’s spending. He is just not what some have pushed him to be
Posted on 3/21/22 at 10:14 am to Tigerpride18
LSU will not receive punishments as bad you think.
Woodward knows this.
Regarding Drew:
The feel is that he would leave Baylor at some point, maybe not to LSU but to some other place.
Woodward knows this.
Regarding Drew:
The feel is that he would leave Baylor at some point, maybe not to LSU but to some other place.
Posted on 3/21/22 at 10:19 am to Tigerpride18
Not my top choice but he wouldn’t be a bad pick from what I gather.
He’s made the tourny 3 times and would have been 4 but for Covid.
Never gotten beyond 32 with is not great but that plus his offensive may be enough to keep fans interested.
He’ll likely keep the program clean is big.
Unfortunately, We’re going to have to deal with the mess that Wade left us and a guy like McMahon could be smart.
McMahon has made the NCAA Tournament three times and would likely have a fourth if the 2020 event was not canceled due to COVID-19. He has never advanced beyond the round of 32, however.
Posted on 3/21/22 at 10:22 am to Shaq4prez
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According to everyone in this board Woodward could secure Phil Jackson if that was his desire. If you want Murray state's coach, he would probably get him because he's the most amazing athletic director that ever walked earth
Help me out, am I doing this right?
Yes you are. You are very correctly portraying a douche nozzle. Grats.
Posted on 3/21/22 at 10:26 am to Tigerbait1977
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Regarding Drew:
The feel is that he would leave Baylor at some point, maybe not to LSU but to some other place.
Who feels that and why?
He has his Baylor program competing at an elite level. He's proven he can win a National Championship there. The school is investing heavily into the program...they are breaking ground on a new basketball arena/practice facility this summer. He doesn't have other programs significantly competing for his resources (LSU took Baylor's huge WBB expense off their hands). There is just no real logical reason for him to leave unless he just doesn't like the administration there OR he wants a "new challenge".
Posted on 3/21/22 at 10:27 am to Bottom9
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Scott firing a guy who isn't his guy to hire a guy who isn't as good of a coach as not his guy was makes me depressed
Let's fire Wade but keep Verge. Nostradamus Scotty
If you haven't figured out why LSU had to fire the General by now. I feel sorry for you.Posted on 3/21/22 at 10:30 am to Bottom9
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You Woodward sycophants are something special
Here's the problem with the rant. With every AD, sport, coach, or player it's all or nothing, feast or famine, GOAT or trash, never an in-between. I'm not a sycophant for anyone. I only know about Woodward what I read about him. I think he's a good AD but I don't think he's GOAT. It's clear that he has a good track record hiring coaches, though. That doesn't mean he always gets his first choice. Who cares anyway as long as the end result is the hiring a good coach, an upgrade over the previous coach. Woodward deserves kudos for the Mulkey and Kelly hires. The jury is still out on JJ but I'm optimistic about the next few years. I don't care who SW goes after and misses out on as long as he ultimately lands a winner.
Posted on 3/21/22 at 10:38 am to SlidellCajun
If McMahon runs a clean program, he won't see a fourth year in BR. He will be fired due to his horrendous record during his first three.
Posted on 3/21/22 at 10:50 am to SlidellCajun
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Not my top choice but he wouldn’t be a bad pick from what I gather.
My weariness comes from the fact the last two Murray St. HC's that made the jump to bigger jobs didn't really pan out. Steve Prohm had a better winning % at Murray St. that McMahon. He took over a (at the time) really good Iowa St. program. After a bit of early success the program completely collapsed. Billy Kennedy had a good run at MSU which led him to the A&M job. When Kennedy took over A&M had been to 5 straight NCAA Tournaments...after getting to 6, combined, in their history prior to 2006. Kennedy was, at best, inconsistent. In 7 seasons he only had a winning SEC record twice. He wasn't horrible. But he wasn't great either.
Both former Murray St. coaches took over programs that were in good shape when they got there. Both left the programs worse than when they took over. If recent history is the best predictor of future results, there is probably some reason to be hesitant to hire a Murray St. HC. The question is can he recruit and win consistently when the competition level goes WAY up and the passion for the program goes down. Kentucky (along with Indiana and North Carolina) are probably the three most passionate college basketball states in the country. Kind of like how LSU's great college baseball success raised the level of passion for many other Louisiana schools.
Now, that is not considering the fact that the LSU job may not be all that attractive right now. So LSU may be in a situation where "beggars can't be choosers". But there could be other potentially attainable guys I'd look to first. Niko Medved, Steve Forbes. Or, if you like the "young, enthusiastic HC", Bob Richey at Furman. But for a miraculous half court shot they would have been in the NCAAT this season.
Posted on 3/21/22 at 10:54 am to Big4SALTbro
But such an upgrade over WW.
Posted on 3/21/22 at 11:00 am to PhillyTiger90
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portal if schollies taken away
We won’t get anyone out of the portal if they are given a scholarship
Posted on 3/21/22 at 11:00 am to Tigerpride18
Posted on 3/21/22 at 11:03 am to Alt26
Not sure what happened with Prohm and ISU but it wasn’t his coaching. His team was hit the hardest with covid than any other team. Players opting out etc. he went to the ncaa tourney 3 of his first 4 years including a sweet 16.
Kennedy was just an average coach who parlayed an ncaa tourney and nit tourney to his benefit.
McMahon has had the most success of the previous two. He deserves a chance at major program.
Kennedy was just an average coach who parlayed an ncaa tourney and nit tourney to his benefit.
McMahon has had the most success of the previous two. He deserves a chance at major program.
Posted on 3/21/22 at 11:04 am to Alt26
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The question is can he recruit
This is my big worry about any of the mid major guys. And what I think can set him apart from the other Murray St guys you mentioned is he had Ja Morant for two years. That can be a really good pitch to go into a kids house and say look what I can possibly contribute to you.
As everyone has said he isn't my first choice but there might not be anyone interested.
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