re: Les vs BK

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Click management

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I sincerely hope that you are being sarcastic including clock management as a specialty of a Les miles football team. Surely you aren't serious.

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See I don't think this is fair

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You have to understand that life is not always fair. You can’t always have it your way, and you must be willing to sacrifice impartiality at the hands of reality at times!

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But we rarely ever had to deal with depth/talent on the offensive and defensive lines.
Or in the secondary, or at linebacker. Which we've been thin as shite recently, and why we're getting gouged on defense by damn near every team we play.

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This is a bit of revisionist history. We got destroyed defensively in multiple seasons under Les. He had some high highs as I said earlier, but he also had some defenses that were atrocious too. And that's without having to patch a defense together through a rebuild either.

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Revisionist history?

We were called DBU, and it wasn't because we liked Dallas Baptist. Les' secondary at LSU:
All American defensive backs from 2005 (Les' first season), to present (2023 is Kelly's first season).
Laron Landry
Craig Steltz
Patrick Peterson
Mo Claiborne
Tyrann Mathieu
Eric Reid
Jalen Mills
Jamal Adams
Tra White
**this is through 2016, the last year Les was here (left midseason)**
Donte Jackson
Greedy Williams
Grant Delpit
Derek Stingley
**most of those guys were brought in by Les, except Stingley. They were All Americans under Orgeron.
None since 2020

That list is just the guys who got All American honors, and doesn't cover guys like Flott, Fulton, Brooks, Simon, Loston, Chad Jones, etc, who would be Day 1 starters on any of the teams Kelly has had.

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You have to understand that life is not always fair. You can’t always have it your way, and you must be willing to sacrifice impartiality at the hands of reality at times!

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Let me rephrase then. That point is inaccurate.

he took over a program flying as high as any team in the country and after his first 3 years operated it a slightly lower level.

Saban built the reputation, the facilities and the recruiting apparatus

Les ran it for a decade without updating the software.

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See I don't think this is fair. Les' teams straight up quit after losing to Bama every year post 2011. LSU absolutely laid down against a 6 loss arkansas team in 2014. They got abused at home by a 5 loss Arkansas team in 2015 post Bama and then rolled over and died against Ole Miss the week after that. They weren't tough enough to close out Clemson in 2012. They weren't mentally tough enough to not get a personal foul with a win against Bama on the line in 2014.


Miles' teams were absolutely mentally fragile at times and to pretend they weren't just because Tyrann and the 2011 team had swag is just intellectually dishonest.

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People think Miles teams were physical and tough, but in a lot of cases, they were just more talented.

Miles teams had a lot more talent than we're seeing at LSU currently and they still lost just as much, down the stretch of his career.

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he woulda lost 5

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Woulda, coulda, shoulda.

What he actually did, non-hypothetically, was win 77% of his games, a nc and a couple of SEC titles. Plus he won 60+ SEC games which all the more remarkable given there were years when the division was the toughest slate in all of college football.

If BK manages to do that over the next decade, there will be people screaming to build a statue.