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re: Les vs BK
Posted on 6/26/25 at 11:27 am to Mayhawman
Posted on 6/26/25 at 11:27 am to Mayhawman
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Miles inherited only 13 scholly players
What is this nonsense?
quote:
Katrina in '05
Valid excuse. We probably win the Natty without the schedule disruptions of Katrina (moving Tennessee to the surface of the sun on Monday night and not having a bye week the entire season before SEC Championship game).
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Posted on 6/26/25 at 11:32 am to John Casey
He might’ve inherited 13 starters 
Posted on 6/26/25 at 11:33 am to JimTiger72
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You seem confused
Sorry, 2005 13 scholly commits I should've posted, but Kelly actually had more than tRant's infamous 35 to start '22.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 11:38 am to JiminyCricket
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This is a bit of revisionist history. We got destroyed defensively in multiple seasons under Les. He had some high highs as I said earlier, but he also had some defenses that were atrocious too. And that's without having to patch a defense together through a rebuild either.
There's a lot of revisionist history surrounding BK vs Miles/Orgeron.
We always remember the past as better than it really was.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 11:38 am to Mayhawman
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Sorry, 2005 13 scholly commits I should've posted, but Kelly actually had more than tRant's infamous 35 to start '22.
Bruh, just stop. Really? Commits?
What about inheriting Russell, Steltz, Addai, Hester, Bowe, Green, Doucet, Whitworth, Niswanger, Williams, Wroten, Dorsey, Favorite, Jackson, Highsmith, Daniels, Landry Beckwith, Zenon, etc etc?
Miles inherited a juggernaut.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 11:40 am to Foghorn18
I think it’s too early to compare really because the situations they inherited were so different and Les was here for such a long time. I will say though Les was an idiot in not changing his ways and he also had so many random WTF moments and an inexplicable tendency to randomly lose to Arkansas. That being said, his teams played with wayyy more swag and toughness than BK’s have so far here with the exception of the 2022 team.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 11:42 am to SidewalkTiger
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We always remember the past as better than it really was.
Truth. It was clear as day that Miles would never win another title after the 08 int party. He was close in 2011 but I think anyone who was remotely objective did not feel good about the Bama rematch given what we had at QB in a game when Saban had a month to prepare.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 11:44 am to lsudave1
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That being said, his teams played with wayyy more swag and toughness than BK’s have so far here with the exception of the 2022 team.
See I don't think this is fair. Les' teams straight up quit after losing to Bama every year post 2011. LSU absolutely laid down against a 6 loss arkansas team in 2014. They got abused at home by a 5 loss Arkansas team in 2015 post Bama and then rolled over and died against Ole Miss the week after that. They weren't tough enough to close out Clemson in 2012. They weren't mentally tough enough to not get a personal foul with a win against Bama on the line in 2014.
Miles' teams were absolutely mentally fragile at times and to pretend they weren't just because Tyrann and the 2011 team had swag is just intellectually dishonest.
This post was edited on 6/26/25 at 11:49 am
Posted on 6/26/25 at 11:55 am to friendlyobservation
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I know it might be a hot take
Shouldn't be. I hate that the Miles haters put me in a position where I'm defending the guy so vociferously. I was at the Lambeau game and I thought then that he needed to go...soon. So I was never pissed that Miles got fired.
But he had a spectacular tenure at LSU. It's kinda nuts how many LSU fans talk about him like they talk about Hallman.
BK has a long way to go before anyone gets to compare him to Miles
Posted on 6/26/25 at 11:55 am to purplengold1
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The amount of talent that Les Miles wasted because of his refusal to not leave 1990s football is appalling.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 11:59 am to JiminyCricket
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See I don't think this is fair. Les' teams straight up quit after losing to Bama every year post 2011. LSU absolutely laid down against a 6 loss arkansas team in 2014. They got abused at home by a 5 loss Arkansas team in 2015 post Bama and then rolled over and died against Ole Miss the week after that. They weren't tough enough to close out Clemson in 2012. They weren't mentally tough enough to not get a personal foul with a win against Bama on the line in 2014.
Miles' teams were absolutely mentally fragile at times and to pretend they weren't just because Tyrann and the 2011 team had swag is just intellectually dishonest.
i wanted miles gone aftwer ole miss 2009. had he had 4 losses again in 2010 he was gone as that woulda been 3 straight ron zook like years (4 or 5 losses) and that was the standard for firing a winning coach.
HE got his arse saved by that defense and jarett LEE in the NC, UF and UT games. and made it to 2011 where he caught lightning in a bottle and had an anomaly year with all his own players unlike 2007. then procedded to shite bed in natty. most were done with him after that and knew he wouild never ever win the sec again.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 12:05 pm to denvertiger
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But he had a spectacular tenure at LSU.
We define spectacular very differently. Les won a title, played for another and won the SEC twice in 12 years, that is true. In Les' only championship season though, he lost to not one but two 5 loss conference opponents and if not for a ridiculous set of circumstances doesn't even make the national championship game.
He lost 3 or more games in 08, 09,12,13,14,15 & would've in 16 had he not been fired 4 games in. If not for the Tennessee debacle, he would've lost 3 in 2010 as well.
His stubbornness led to the single greatest and most humiliating defeat in the history of LSU football in 2011.
Like I've said, Les had some really nice highs but also abysmal lows and was a breath away from those highs never even happening. I wouldn't call him spectacular.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 12:09 pm to Scoob
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Or in the secondary, or at linebacker. Which we've been thin as shite recently, and why we're getting gouged on defense by damn near every team we play.
Yes I agree.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 12:09 pm to Fat Bastard
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i wanted miles gone aftwer ole miss 2009. had he had 4 losses again in 2010 he was gone as that woulda been 3 straight ron zook like years (4 or 5 losses) and that was the standard for firing a winning coach.
And think how close he was to 4 losses in 2010. Losses to Auburn and Arkansas, that's two. Let's say he blows the game to Tennessee like he realistically should've, that's 3. How about almost throwing up on himself against an 8 loss Ole Miss team?
This post was edited on 6/26/25 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 6/26/25 at 12:14 pm to JiminyCricket
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If not for the Tennessee debacle, he would've lost 3 in 2010 as well.
he woulda lost 5.
had the UNC TE not dropped a game winning TD last second. I was there,.
JJ was terrible at UF and lee saved us on game winning drive.
Lee saved us in UT game. he kept game winning drive alive completing a 4th and 16 pass to TT.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 12:16 pm to Fat Bastard
Very true! I forgot about the UNC game.
This post was edited on 6/26/25 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 6/26/25 at 12:17 pm to JiminyCricket
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And think how close he was to 4 losses in 2010. Losses to Auburn and Arkansas, that's two. Let's say he blows the game to Tennessee like he realistically should've, that's 3. How about almost throwing up on himself against an 8 loss Ole Miss team.
yup. back then the shaw group had the buyout money and he was gone if he loses 4 or more again like 08 and 09. he escaped with a horshoe up his arse.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 12:17 pm to rented mule
quote:You may be correct I got my info from Wiki fwiw.
He's 12-3 against non SEC teams, 4-3 against Power 5 teams, including bowl games.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 12:25 pm to JimTiger72
Oh and BK has at least 2 games a year when the team looks totally unprepared to even step on the field and gets embarrassed. And he always has excuses and points at players too often. BK needs to win this year or retire. Then maybe we could pay Nick $20 Million/year for a 5 year swan song.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 12:32 pm to PUB
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PUB
Les and BK basically inverted their tenures. Miles started hot with an elite roster and then had hideous losses as time went on. Kelly had some ugly losses early but this appears to be his best roster on paper that we've had since 2019. At least there's hope due to personnel that we are getting better whereas Les was clearly left behind and had no interest in changing.
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