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re: Les vs BK
Posted on 6/26/25 at 8:37 am to SammyTiger
Posted on 6/26/25 at 8:37 am to SammyTiger
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but didn’t build anything
You know Miles recruited about a dozen of the starters who played on the 2019 team, right?
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Posted on 6/26/25 at 8:46 am to purplengold1
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The amount of talent that Les Miles wasted because of his refusal to not leave 1990s football is appalling.
You can say the same thing about CBK and the 2023 team. So much offensive talent only for CBK to piss it all away
Posted on 6/26/25 at 9:58 am to ipodking
That’s a good point bc BK’s downfall that year was Matt House.
He fixed that. Les was always his own downfall regardless of who the OC was
He fixed that. Les was always his own downfall regardless of who the OC was
Posted on 6/26/25 at 10:04 am to Foghorn18
I know it might be a hot take but Les record speaks for itself. He wasn't as dumb as this board claims him to be. If you say Les has faults - which he does - then you have to mention BK has his own faults as well. As of right now Les did more for LSU and I haven't been impressed with BK. Also, Les imposed his will on anyone out of conference and rarely lost OOC games. His last years were bad but up to that point he was much better of a coach than this board gives him credit towards.
-elite recruiter up there in the top 5 easily with Saban
-OOC dominance
-2 NC games 1 NC
-always had elite defenses
-always had good to elite special teams
-always had elite running game
-got up for the big games(except Saban had his number)
He overstayed his welcome at LSU and the game passed him by. He shouldn't have stayed at LSU his last few years. Up to that point though, he was a good coach.
-elite recruiter up there in the top 5 easily with Saban
-OOC dominance
-2 NC games 1 NC
-always had elite defenses
-always had good to elite special teams
-always had elite running game
-got up for the big games(except Saban had his number)
He overstayed his welcome at LSU and the game passed him by. He shouldn't have stayed at LSU his last few years. Up to that point though, he was a good coach.
This post was edited on 6/26/25 at 10:10 am
Posted on 6/26/25 at 10:05 am to SammyTiger
quote:
miles was a good custodian but didn’t build anything
Laughable.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 10:06 am to Kool Kaliper
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Miles wasted a lot of talent but the one thing you couldn't say about a Miles team that they were soft. Since BK arrival he consistently ran a soft team out the tunnel every Saturday.
This is revisionist history.
For instance, vs unranked Arkansas at home in 2015, LSU gave up 300 rushing yards and only ran for 59.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 10:10 am to SidewalkTiger
Now we give up 350 yards through the air.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 10:14 am to SammyTiger
quote:
miles was a good custodian but didn’t build anything
I disagree here. While the 2011 team fell short by 1 game he built that team from the ground up. And if not for the egg layed on 1/9 it would have been one of the greatest teams in CFB history
This post was edited on 6/26/25 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 6/26/25 at 10:16 am to Kool Kaliper
LSU's 2019 defense did the same. That's how it is now for football. Yards means nothing. If you look at that 2019 defense, they were statistically mediocre in areas. Anyone who watched them knew it was a good defense though. Anytime a team threatened LSU they turned it up a notch and got the stops. Behind at beginning of Clemson, Auburn when they threatened LSU. The offense was so good the defense would just go to sleep unless someone threatened to win.
But yes, this is where I'm not impressed with BK. He has awful special teams every year, his defenses have not been good, he mismanaged the entire defensive coaching staff, and if he gets outcoached at the beginning of a game he will not make adjustments to survive. When BK loses bad it feels historically bad like Tennessee or Bama last year. Les teams with exception of his last few years and 2011 NC game, always were ALWAYS competitive.
But yes, this is where I'm not impressed with BK. He has awful special teams every year, his defenses have not been good, he mismanaged the entire defensive coaching staff, and if he gets outcoached at the beginning of a game he will not make adjustments to survive. When BK loses bad it feels historically bad like Tennessee or Bama last year. Les teams with exception of his last few years and 2011 NC game, always were ALWAYS competitive.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 10:18 am to Foghorn18
Les was a better recruiter than BK has been early in his LSU tenure. Especially first 2 years where BK didn't understand how to recruit the state and had that terrible RC Polian. He has gotten better as he learned from those early mistakes.
Les didn't learn from his mistakes. He kept making them and it got him fired.
Les also inherited a very talented roster and BK had 39 scholarship players.
Les didn't learn from his mistakes. He kept making them and it got him fired.
Les also inherited a very talented roster and BK had 39 scholarship players.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 10:20 am to Foghorn18
At least Miles could win a season opener.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 10:36 am to Scoob
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The amount of talent that Les Miles brought to LSU was astounding
This is the only thing I miss about Les. Of course in his defense, he didn't have to deal with NIL and transfer portal. But we rarely ever had to deal with depth/talent on the offensive and defensive lines.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 10:53 am to Foghorn18
How is this even a debate. BK hasn’t done shite yet. Les would dominate NIL era
Posted on 6/26/25 at 10:56 am to Kracka
quote:Or in the secondary, or at linebacker. Which we've been thin as shite recently, and why we're getting gouged on defense by damn near every team we play.
But we rarely ever had to deal with depth/talent on the offensive and defensive lines.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 11:02 am to bayou85
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Les also inherited a very talented roster and BK had 39 scholarship players.
Miles inherited only 13 scholly players and Katrina in '05
Posted on 6/26/25 at 11:04 am to Mayhawman
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Miles inherited only 13 scholly players
You seem confused
lol at the downvote, I mean I’m already at 30+(there’s more) & look at the names he inherited. Do you think you can just make shite up?
Shyrone Carey
Craig Davis
Jamarcus Russell
Skyler Green
Colt David
Ali Highsmith
Ronnie Prude
Early Doucet
Joseph Addai
Matt Flynn
Craig Steltz
Bennie Brazell
Jacob Hester
Jonathan Zenon
Chevis Jackson
Alley Broussard
Xavier Carter
Justin Vincent
Laron Landry
Jesse Daniels
Luke Sanders
Chris Jackson
Rudy Niswanger
Nate Livings
Glenn Dorsey
Andrew Whitworth
Dwayne Bowe
Chase Pittman
Kyle Williams
Claude Wroten
This post was edited on 6/26/25 at 11:25 am
Posted on 6/26/25 at 11:07 am to Foghorn18
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He’s never won a fricking NY6 bowl
Who cares about winning NY6 bowls?
What's better: a loss in a 4 team college football playoff semifinal or a win in a non-playoff NY6 bowl?
You either win a championship or you don't, and there are currently only 3 active coaches with a championship: Ryan Day, Kirby Smart, and Dabo Swinney.
Kelly has been close multiple times with a BCS Championship appearance and 2 playoff appearances.
2025 is his best chance with LSU to get a championship. We shall see if he can get it done.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 11:10 am to Tiger Ugly
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Les had as much or more talent than any team he played his first 3 years. BK not even close - and he absolutely has some responsibility in that.
Les went 8-5 his 4th year. Let's see what BK does and talk again at the end of the year.
It's hard to compare at this point because Les had so much longer of a run at LSU than BK has had the opportunity to have yet. Les had some really high highs but also had some atrociously low lows. People forget alot about Les in totality because of recency bias but he essentially had 5 good seasons out of 12 in Baton Rouge. Les lost 2 games or less only 5 times out of 12 seasons he coached here.
Les lost 5 games twice, 4 games once, 3 games 3 times and almost certainly would've lost somewhere from 3-5 games, maybe more, if he hadn't been fired in 2016.
No doubt that Les and Brian had vastly different starting points when arriving at LSU so to say that Les was better at this point is very premature.
This post was edited on 6/26/25 at 11:11 am
Posted on 6/26/25 at 11:12 am to Scoob
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But we rarely ever had to deal with depth/talent on the offensive and defensive lines.
Or in the secondary, or at linebacker. Which we've been thin as shite recently, and why we're getting gouged on defense by damn near every team we play.
This is a bit of revisionist history. We got destroyed defensively in multiple seasons under Les. He had some high highs as I said earlier, but he also had some defenses that were atrocious too. And that's without having to patch a defense together through a rebuild either.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 11:24 am to wrongRob
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Brian Kelly's record against non-SEC teams while at LSU 10-2
He's 12-3 against non SEC teams, 4-3 against Power 5 teams, including bowl games.
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