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re: “Lance Heard evaluating his role at LSU” per Kelly

Posted on 12/29/23 at 1:03 pm to
Posted by BillF
Monroe, LA
Member since Jan 2006
5061 posts
Posted on 12/29/23 at 1:03 pm to
He could "evaluate his role" by competing in bowl practices and the bowl game, and getting better as a player.

I don't know what further conversations they can have with him except "you're not one of our top two tackles right now, but you certainly have the opportunity to compete for the jobs and get playing time. And you could eventually become a starter if one or both move on to the NFL."
Posted by timlan2057
In the Shadow of Tiger Stadium
Member since Sep 2005
16944 posts
Posted on 12/29/23 at 1:04 pm to
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I think he’s gone unless Kelly basically promises him a starting spot next year


More than just “a starting spot.”

He’s gone unless he’s promised to start at LT.

So I say again, frick him. Let him carry his arse.

Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39551 posts
Posted on 12/29/23 at 1:05 pm to
He starting next year somewhere on that line regardless. It’s not about playing time.

It’s about money.
Posted by Pikes Peak Tiger
Colorado Springs
Member since Jun 2023
3981 posts
Posted on 12/29/23 at 1:05 pm to
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On the opposite end, I rather talk money with him than sign more big heart Liam Shanahan type low talent players who won't propel you to take the next step


But he hasn’t actually shown that he’s better than that type of player.

Sure he had 5 stars in HS, but that doesn’t mean he has a good work ethic or will ever live up that 5 star potential.
Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
7800 posts
Posted on 12/29/23 at 1:06 pm to
Hope Kelly will tell him that his services are no longer needed. Imagine quitting in your team over something like this.
Posted by Specktricity
Lafayette
Member since May 2011
1241 posts
Posted on 12/29/23 at 1:07 pm to
Wanting to be paid for not being able to beat out your teammate is so foreign to me.
Posted by Pikes Peak Tiger
Colorado Springs
Member since Jun 2023
3981 posts
Posted on 12/29/23 at 1:07 pm to
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The more I think about it, the more I support the power 5 breaking away from the NCAA and governing themselves. We’ll probably still have NIL, but not like this… so poorly thought out and one sided.


Agree but the NCAA has no control over NIL.

That said, the NCAA could fix a lot this immediately by changing the transfer rules back to something closer to what they were before the portal.

Having to sit a year after transferring (pre graduation) would end a lot of this quickly.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39551 posts
Posted on 12/29/23 at 1:07 pm to
He’s been offered money by another school

It’s obvious
Posted by da prophet
hammond, la
Member since Sep 2013
2302 posts
Posted on 12/29/23 at 1:08 pm to
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Lmao, mad he didn’t start over Campbell, who didn’t give up a sack all year.

So the newest ruination of college football is demanding to not only start but also at a particular position.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278566 posts
Posted on 12/29/23 at 1:08 pm to
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ridiculous to pretend the coaches don't direct payments or have any input.


So you want coaches to make the sign contracts over NIL?

I’m trying to follow here. The post I was replying to is easily traceable for context.
Posted by LSUDad
Still on the move
Member since May 2004
58843 posts
Posted on 12/29/23 at 1:09 pm to
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I could be wrong, but I would think he could beat out Frazier or Dellinger and start at guard next season

Lance only wants to play tackle, he’s said this from the start. Right now, he not one of the 5 best. Davis puts his 5 best OL on the field. Lance has a great chance to start next year, at ROT. Emery Jones has moved inside to guard. The inside move only helps his draft stock. Playing both positions. Right now, we don’t know who’s returning, but chances look good for Lance not returning.
Posted by SwampyWaters
Member since Apr 2023
1374 posts
Posted on 12/29/23 at 1:11 pm to
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NIL is not paid out by universities. This is a private party type thing. The university does not have any control over this.


Technically, you're correct, but make no mistake about it, all universities and these private companies work hand-in-hand and one doesn't act without the other knowing about it. That's the only way it works.

Technically, NIL is not supposed to be pay for play either, but in reality, NIL is 100 percent pay for play!
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39551 posts
Posted on 12/29/23 at 1:12 pm to
It depends on how you structure things, but the school takes on all of the risks, as do the NIL sponsors it affiliates with.

The kid can just do whatever the frick he wants whenever he wants.

If NIL persists, there needs to be some type of contractual protection for the school like we have in all other professional sports.
This post was edited on 12/29/23 at 1:14 pm
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26860 posts
Posted on 12/29/23 at 1:13 pm to
You said the university has no control over NIL. Which is technically correct. But they do have behind the scenes control.

Yes, they even influence the wording of the contracts. Maybe not through independent deals, but certainly through the collective.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39551 posts
Posted on 12/29/23 at 1:14 pm to
Yes, the staff works with the collectives to target and prioritize athletes.
Posted by LSURulzSEC
Lake Charles via Oakdale
Member since Aug 2004
77328 posts
Posted on 12/29/23 at 1:14 pm to
The oline is stacked, depth is solid and got a great oline class coming in...he has absolutely no leverage in this if he strong arming for more playing time and/or NIL money...
Posted by da prophet
hammond, la
Member since Sep 2013
2302 posts
Posted on 12/29/23 at 1:15 pm to
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Agree but the NCAA has no control over NIL. That said, the NCAA could fix a lot this immediately by changing the transfer rules back to something closer to what they were before the portal. Having to sit a year after transferring (pre graduation) would end a lot of this quickly.

100% agree. There is NO Committment at all required by college players. The NFL has binding contracts. College has nothing now.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278566 posts
Posted on 12/29/23 at 1:17 pm to
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NIL persists, there needs to be some type of contractual protection for the schoo


Beat it into your brain: You can’t have protections for the school when they cannot involve themselves in NIL lol
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39551 posts
Posted on 12/29/23 at 1:17 pm to
Agree, I just see this as a warning of what’s to come. You sign elite kids, spend a year or more investing in them and developing them into something special, then any school can just come along and buy them out from under you. This isn’t a portal kid we are talking about.
Posted by Sterling Archer
Austin
Member since Aug 2012
7328 posts
Posted on 12/29/23 at 1:19 pm to
I understand this is the environment coaches have to deal with but if I’m BK it would be difficult not to tell this kid to frick off
This post was edited on 12/29/23 at 1:24 pm
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