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re: Joe Burrow is the best player in SEC history

Posted on 12/12/21 at 5:07 am to
Posted by BigD45
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Posted on 12/12/21 at 5:07 am to
DGB swoops in and is challenging for Gayest Thread of the Year with just a few weeks left in 2021.
Posted by Bamachief
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Posted on 12/12/21 at 5:19 am to
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Bryce Young didn't put up numbers even in the same neighborhood of Burrow


Burrow - 77% completion, 4715 yds 48 TD, 6 INT, 289 yds rush, 3 rush TD

Young - 68% completion, 4322 yds, 43 TD, 4 INT, 31 rush, 3 rush TD

Other than rushing yards, pretty similar numbers.

If you think Bama had an elite OL this year, you don’t watch much football. Young has excellent running ability but chooses not to run often.
Posted by FreddieMac
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Posted on 12/12/21 at 5:26 am to
Burrow is the best sec player of my lifetime, since 1972. By a country mile.
Posted by fightntiger32
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Posted on 12/12/21 at 6:20 am to
Bo Jackson and Hershel were better than Fournette! Both were faster, quicker, and ran with better pad levels. They could get to the outside better.
Posted by Bamachief
Member since Aug 2021
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Posted on 12/12/21 at 6:42 am to
Burrow may have had the best season ever seen of any SEC player, which is arguable, but he’s not the best player in SEC history.

Here are three players in my opinion who are easily greater SEC players then Burrow, in your lifetime.

Herschel Walker
Bo Jackson
Derrick Thomas
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 12/12/21 at 6:47 am to
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Cats has a valid point, burrow was the greatest college player ever, but his career was not the greatest ever.

He was not the greatest college player in SEC history. Burrow’s 2019 season was extraordinary, but Cam Newton’s big season was better. Although Burrow beat a more impressive schedule, Cam did it with an Auburn team that had far less talent.

Burrow is the better NFL QB, but that wasn’t the question.
Posted by Metaloctopus
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Posted on 12/12/21 at 6:55 am to
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Burrow - 77% completion, 4715 yds 48 TD, 6 INT, 289 yds rush, 3 rush TD

Young - 68% completion, 4322 yds, 43 TD, 4 INT, 31 rush, 3 rush TD

Other than rushing yards, pretty similar numbers.



Your Bama bias is bleeding out of this post.

Burrow beat 7 top ten teams in 2019, and most of the year he was handing the ball off in the second half, because LSU was blowing everyone out. Not exactly the type of year Alabama has had, and the schedule for your team has been significantly weaker.

And what Burrow went on to do in the two playoff games (12 touchdowns, and that's with not even trying in the second half against Oklahoma) put his season way out of reach of anything that's been done before, or in the two years since.

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If you think Bama had an elite OL this year, you don’t watch much football. Young has excellent running ability but chooses not to run often.




Not being "elite" and sucking. are two entirely different things. You don't have an offensive line problem. And I've watched Bryce Young try to run. It's not a matter of choosing not to. He just moves with bricks on his feet, so there isn't much of a choice to make, unless the field just completely opens up in front of him, as it did a couple of times against Georgia.
Posted by Mrwhodat
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Posted on 12/12/21 at 7:05 am to
Posted by Bamachief
Member since Aug 2021
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Posted on 12/12/21 at 7:20 am to
Your response shows how big of a freaking idiot you truly are. Alabama offensive line wasn’t close to elite and they did suck all year long. The only game they really showed up was Georgia. Go back and watch the tape.

And my Alabama bias has nothing to do with my reply. Burrow had a great season in 2019. I think Mac Jones had an equally good season in 2020. I think Bryce Young also had a great season in 2021. He also didn’t have the benefit of a good running game and the reason that the running game was not very good was his offensive line. Watch the games where Alabama’s offense struggled, there were many. Once you look at those, look at the running yardage in those games and then look at the number of times Young was sacked or pressured.

Did Burrow beat those seven teams or did LSU?

And if you have watched Bryce Young run then look at his head and eyes. They are always looking downfield before he gets to the line of scrimmage. He’s trying to find a open receiver to throw the ball to not find a running lane. Whether it’s by choice or scheme, or design, Alabama does not have any running packages set up for Young. They also did not seem to have any counters for blitz packages in their play designs. No draws, no quick screens to the running back, no counters, and no sprint rollout to assist him.

And, just in case you didn’t know, the Heisman is given prior to the bowl games so what Burrow did during the college football playoffs has no relevance or bearing on the award.

Burrow had a great season, one of the best ever for a QB in NCAA history, that is not really debatable. What is also not really debatable is that the 2 seasons following 2019, 2 Alabama QBs have both put up very similar seasons to Burrow statistically.
Posted by FLBooGoTigs1
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Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 12/12/21 at 7:50 am to
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Burrow had the best season and it’s not up for debate.


Best Season ever? YES
Best Player? NO I would go Hershel WaLKER
Posted by turnpiketiger
Lone Star State
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 12/12/21 at 7:56 am to
Anyone who tries to argue about it, isn’t with the time.
Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
46770 posts
Posted on 12/12/21 at 7:59 am to
I know you Bama fans have to cram Bama into fricking everything, but that was a lot of words to say that Burrow had the greatest QB season ever.
Posted by des4271
Member since Oct 2014
4328 posts
Posted on 12/12/21 at 8:02 am to
The place Tebow has Burrow beat is he has 2 championships to Burrow's 1. Outside of that, their stats aren't significantly different, especially since Tebow got to play a hell of a lot more snaps.

Burrow - 8852 yards, 68.8% completion rate, 78 TD's, 11 INT's with a 172.4 rating

Tebow - 9285 yards, 66.4% completion rate, 88 TD's, 16 INT's, with a 170.8 rating.
Posted by Sun God
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Posted on 12/12/21 at 8:04 am to
Tebow rushed a bit more than Burrow
Posted by bgtiger
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Posted on 12/12/21 at 8:08 am to
Not to mention 4 years at the same place, playing in 4 and starting in 3
Posted by des4271
Member since Oct 2014
4328 posts
Posted on 12/12/21 at 8:14 am to
I'll say it again, Tebow got to play significantly more plays. Of course he has more rushing yards, plus they purposely ran him more.
Posted by Domeskeller
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Posted on 12/12/21 at 8:19 am to
I love Joe Burrow. He had the greatest season in the history of the SEC.

But he is not the best player in SEC history. There is a distinction there that can be reasonably made. Burrow’s 2018 was good but not great.

Herschel Walker and Bo Jackson stand out all time. And there are plenty of others.
Posted by Aligater
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Posted on 12/12/21 at 8:26 am to
First, I'm a Joe Burrow fan...But let's see now...better than Herschel Walker, Bo Jackson, Payton Manning, Tommy Casanova, Glenn Dorsey, John Hanna, Billy Cannon, Cam Newton, Charlie Trippi...and maybe Don Hutson.
This post was edited on 12/12/21 at 8:32 am
Posted by White Tiger
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Posted on 12/12/21 at 8:43 am to
The best evah!
Posted by SofaKingTrill
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 12/12/21 at 8:48 am to
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Burrow had a great season, one of the best ever for a QB in NCAA history, that is not really debatable. What is also not really debatable is that the 2 seasons following 2019, 2 Alabama QBs have both put up very similar seasons to Burrow statistically.


Bama fans have been pushing this narrative since Burrow because watching Burrow do that and not Tua shattered them. Every year when their QB puts up gaudy numbers against two good teams they'll say, well it's statistically "similar" to Joe Burrow. And then at the end of the season it's not very similar at all. Mac would've only needed to throw for 1171 yards and 19 tds in his next two games to match what Burrow did if he played a 15 game schedule. Bryce only needs 1349 yards and 17 tds in his next two games. The similarity screams at me.
This post was edited on 12/12/21 at 8:50 am
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