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Jay Johnson always pitches his ace in game 1 of a regional

Posted on 5/29/24 at 11:11 am
Posted by csorre1
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 5/29/24 at 11:11 am
2023 Skenes(ace) against Tulane(4 seed)
2022 Hilliard(ace) against Kinnesaw State(3 seed)
2021 Silseth(ace) against Grand Canyon(4 seed)
2017 Cloney(ace) against Sam Houston State(3 seed)
2016 Bannister(ace) against Sam Houston State(3 seed)

In the 5 years that he made it to the NCAA tournament at Arizona and LSU, he has always pitched his ace in game 1.
Posted by whatiknowsofar
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 5/29/24 at 11:12 am to
Yeah we're not good enough to frick around game 1 of the regional. Get this dub and beat NC arse with Holman game 2 with a fresh bp
Posted by AkronTiger
Rubber City
Member since May 2021
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Posted on 5/29/24 at 11:14 am to
Don't think anyone that follows college baseball closely expects anyone but Jump. Saves Holman for Game 2 against UNC
Posted by lsutiger251
Member since Oct 2022
287 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 11:14 am to
This is the way
Posted by Sofaking2
Member since Apr 2023
18922 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 11:15 am to
Jump isn’t that far behind Holman if he is right now. They are pretty close in my opinion. He can’t go wrong either way.
Posted by csorre1
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 5/29/24 at 11:17 am to
I would agree that Jump and Holman are pretty interchangable, but I also think that Jump is the answer because Wofford is very active on the base paths.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 5/29/24 at 11:18 am to
if there was a bigger gap between jump and holeman o would consider it more but I think he sticks 1-2.
Holeman can be as good as anyone in the country when he’s on so i am not super worried about him.

then if you win game 2 you’re probably not seeing a weekend guy in game 3.
Posted by DRock88
Member since Aug 2015
10246 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 11:20 am to
Everyone always pitches their ace in game 1 until they don't.

I don't think this decision is as cut and dry as most are making it. If you can win game 1 without Jump or Holman, UNC will get both Jump and Holman. I'm not so much interested in being 2-0 as I am in advancing.

I'm not scared of being 0-1 unless that means we're 0-1 having burned Jump or Holman. I'm also not scared of being 1-1 if we still have Jump or Holman. I'm scared of being 1-1 having burned Jump and Holman. Now you have to win 3 games...without Jump and Holman.
Posted by hirematthouse
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Posted on 5/29/24 at 11:20 am to
So we get Holman against Wofford?
Posted by TigerCub
Team Boxtard
Member since May 2006
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Posted on 5/29/24 at 11:22 am to
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I'm also not scared of being 1-1 if we still have Jump or Holman.


In that case you still have to win 2 games (likely against UNC) without either of them.
Posted by smp4lsu
Member since Sep 2006
273 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 11:22 am to
That is probably what will happen. Since we are away, a strong #2 seed against a weak #3 seed, playing in a national seed's stadium, I would save Jump and Holman and pitch Hurd.
Posted by Screaming Viking
Member since Jul 2013
5585 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 11:25 am to
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Yeah we're not good enough to frick around game 1 of the regional


this is not the main reason for pitching this way. theoretically, you pitch your #3 guy against the other teams #4/#5 guy in the finals having to beat you twice.

very simple equation really.
Posted by DRock88
Member since Aug 2015
10246 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 11:27 am to
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In that case you still have to win 2 games (likely against UNC) without either of them.


But is that better or worse than being 1-1 and having burned them both? If you're 1-1 having burned only 1 of them, you still have 1 of them to use in a loser's bracket game or the 'ship. If you burn both in games 1 and 2, you better hope you're 2-0. And, I know that's the goal. But, that's also the risk.

Really just playing devil's advocate because any decision could be right or wrong. It all just depends what happens.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
287981 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 11:29 am to
Of course he will.

LSU wants to start 2-0. Have UNC burn up their pitching in the loser’s bracket & play it from there.
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
76741 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 11:30 am to
You’re probably right, but that doesn’t mean it’s the best decision. Personally, I wouldn’t mind saving our aces.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 5/29/24 at 11:31 am to
sooner you pitch him sooner you get him back
Posted by Sofaking2
Member since Apr 2023
18922 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 11:36 am to
I would not pitch Hurd more than about 1 or 2 innings at a time, lol. He would have a quick hook too. Ack is the 3rd starter for me. I think Hurd is coming around, but isn’t quite there yet.
Posted by BigBinBR
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2023
9108 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 11:38 am to
quote:

In the 5 years that he made it to the NCAA tournament at Arizona and LSU, he has always pitched his ace in game 1.

I posted this last year and got blasted for suggesting he may pitch Skenes in game 1. It’s baseball. The entire game is about trends and what coaches and players have done before.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
61772 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 11:44 am to
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Yeah we're not good enough to frick around game 1 of the regional. Get this dub and beat NC arse with Holman game 2 with a fresh bp



If that happens, you will be facing UNC with your 3rd starter (which we've obviously been very weak with all year). Depending on what NC does in game 1, this could be UNC's 3rd starter or 4th starter. In other words, even in the drivers seat, you might be at a pitching disadvantage moving forwrd.

OR, you could choose to use your 3rd starter against Wofford, a team that was 12-8 in its own conference which. If you win would allow you to throw your #1a vs. UNC and your #1b vs. UNC in the best scenario. If you lose, you obviously pitch off vs. the #4 and then go to war needing to win 3 in a row still having your top 2 aces.

Some people don't like risk. But, there seems to be a clear upside vs. downside by pitching off in game 1.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12587 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 11:45 am to
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I'm not scared of being 0-1 unless that means we're 0-1 having burned Jump or Holman. I'm also not scared of being 1-1 if we still have Jump or Holman. I'm scared of being 1-1 having burned Jump and Holman. Now you have to win 3 games...without Jump and Holman.

This doesn’t make sense. You’re saying that you aren’t scared of going 0-1 with the bullpen, but you are scared of going 1-1 after using Jump and Holman?

If you’re 0-1 after a bullpen game, you aren’t going to hold Jump/Holman back again in the 2 losers’ bracket games. Which means you’ll need to beat UNC twice with a depleted bullpen.. at a pitching disadvantage.

If you’re 1-1 after burning Jump and Holman, you’re going to pitch Ack and the top of the bullpen in game 3 (most likely against Wofford anyway). So you’ll still need to beat UNC twice, still with a depleted bullpen.. at a pitching disadvantage.

The only advantage of losing game 1 over game 2 is that you might get some of those bullpen arms back sooner, but either way you’re playing 2 elimination games against UNC with the bottom of your staff.

There’s no scenario where Holman and Jump both pitch vs. UNC from the losers’ bracket. It only works out that way if you win game 1. (ETA: Unless you double down on the risk and throw a midweek guy out there in an elimination game..)
This post was edited on 5/29/24 at 11:49 am
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