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re: It's almost as if some of you don't watch the games
Posted on 10/22/12 at 12:39 pm to JohnnyU
Posted on 10/22/12 at 12:39 pm to JohnnyU
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A limited number of routes and a Simplistic design.
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You're blind as shite.
Love the arrogance.
Do you think there's a REASON for simplistic design? I'm sure you do, but "Miles just sucks" fits your only argument.
I think your thought process is simplistic. That the only reason they run 2 WR sets is because they want to and Miles doesn't know anything else.
Here's another case of people blaming the coaches and not the players as if the players don't have anything to do with not being able to get separation and/or holding their blocks long enough.
You speak as if you work in the field of SEC football.
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Posted on 10/22/12 at 1:01 pm to Prominentwon
We've changed the offense. Mettenberger clearly isn't capable of succeeding in our old offense. It involved a lot more running by the QB. Not just JJ running, we played Hatch to run that offense before lifting JJ's redshirt. It was basically designed with Perrilloux in mind. Which explained a lot of why JJ was preferred over Lee, even after Lee started to gain experience. Lee still couldn't run a lot of the plays, physically.
I think last year we intended to change, but Miles was on the fence about it once we started rolling. Face it, if you get into the BCS game and the bulk of your offense has more experience (over the years) playing a certain scheme, and that scheme was the reason you pulled the 1st Bama game out (the prostyle scheme was gonna lose in that game), you play the old scheme to win NOW.
So this year we're set on changing to the new scheme. No flinching and putting in the mobile QB at Auburn or Fla. 30 pass attempts against A&M. Not the slightest hesitation at putting Mettenberger back out on the field each drive.
Really- if we can do the painful rebuilding year and change to a pro-style team and finish, what, 10-2, is that awful? Next season we return most of the offense, and if we insist Chavis is the reason our defense is so good, then he's gonna have them good next season too.
Sometimes it takes patience. A 300 yd game would be nice, but 7-1 is pretty okay.
I think last year we intended to change, but Miles was on the fence about it once we started rolling. Face it, if you get into the BCS game and the bulk of your offense has more experience (over the years) playing a certain scheme, and that scheme was the reason you pulled the 1st Bama game out (the prostyle scheme was gonna lose in that game), you play the old scheme to win NOW.
So this year we're set on changing to the new scheme. No flinching and putting in the mobile QB at Auburn or Fla. 30 pass attempts against A&M. Not the slightest hesitation at putting Mettenberger back out on the field each drive.
Really- if we can do the painful rebuilding year and change to a pro-style team and finish, what, 10-2, is that awful? Next season we return most of the offense, and if we insist Chavis is the reason our defense is so good, then he's gonna have them good next season too.
Sometimes it takes patience. A 300 yd game would be nice, but 7-1 is pretty okay.
Posted on 10/22/12 at 1:20 pm to Rex
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Miles's philosophy is overpowering somebody. It's old school. It's Big 10. It's 70's Michigan vs. Northwestern.
I think people who keep defending it by saying it works for Bama don't actually watch THEIR games: they're quite a bit more diversified with deception, screens, draws.
I think we are trying to be more like the Oakland Raiders of the 70's. The big down the field play and running the ball with a solid defense. This is old school football and it wins a lot of games. I think we do have a scheme and we are a throwback team with the talent to pull it off. As Mett and the receivers progress, they offense will become more diversified.
This post was edited on 10/22/12 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 10/22/12 at 1:28 pm to Draconian Sanctions
People tend to forget we have 62 players with about 8 of those holding onto a redshirt. We dont have the talent as other teams with 85 players. They also talk about how undisciplined this team is, when the defense had most the penalties last week. They have called 30+ pass plays in 3 games. We never did that with jamarcus. We have thrown to the tes, we threw to the rbs, we threw deep. They changed up the protection. Yet no one notices this. People get shite faced, watch the gane, then post on here complete bullshite. People dont watch the games.
Posted on 10/22/12 at 1:29 pm to Prominentwon
BAMA fans would never admit this now but they werent singing the praises of Jim McElwain his entire stint in Tuscaloosa. BAMA had JPW and McElwain for one year after the failed Major Applewhite experiment in 2007. They were fortunate to have a cerebral QB in McElroy for three years but even he lost three games as a Senior in 2010.
BAMA did everything they could to limit AJ McCarron's negative impact on their games last year and it worked every week but one. They beat us in the BCSNCG because they allowed AJ McCarron to take over the offense and make plays down the field. Keep in mind this was after 12 games (11-1) and a MONTH to prepare for LSU.
McElwain is gone and it looks like they may have improved the OC position with Doug Nussmeier. McCarron has stepped into the offensive leader role for BAMA this year
LSU and BAMA are mirror images of one another and both Miles and Saban are not going to let a QB get them beat when they have defense and ST to keep them in every game.
So what I see with Mett is:
most of his pass calls are designated throws which is why we see so many slants and outs. They simply are not going to let Mett get LSU beat throwing the ball in high risk/high reward areas. You never see seam routes (over the LB in front of the safety) because they dont trust him.
the OL problems are injuries and also a QB that is struggling to read what is in front of him and holds the ball too long
when they do get a WR with separation and Mett finds him, he is struggling with his accuracy to make the completion.
All of this is part of the developmental process of a young QB. the fact that LSU doesnt have a BIG WR to win one on one battles and cover up Mett's deficiencies is glaring. The fact that LSU doesnt have a speed burner that can get to an overthrown deep ball is glaring as well.
So we are relying on DB breakdowns in their scheme, or flawless execution of our scheme or spectacular plays to succeed.
This is a high wire act with a net
A lot of the inaccuracy issues is footwork but it is also related to mett processing the game mentally. The game is still very fast for him right now but you can see it getting better week after week. Time and reps are going to help him get better and there will come a day when miles will need mett to win a game(s) for LSU like Saban did with mccarron last year in the BCSNCG. Mett will have to earn his stripes the hard way to get that call from Miles.
BAMA did everything they could to limit AJ McCarron's negative impact on their games last year and it worked every week but one. They beat us in the BCSNCG because they allowed AJ McCarron to take over the offense and make plays down the field. Keep in mind this was after 12 games (11-1) and a MONTH to prepare for LSU.
McElwain is gone and it looks like they may have improved the OC position with Doug Nussmeier. McCarron has stepped into the offensive leader role for BAMA this year
LSU and BAMA are mirror images of one another and both Miles and Saban are not going to let a QB get them beat when they have defense and ST to keep them in every game.
So what I see with Mett is:
most of his pass calls are designated throws which is why we see so many slants and outs. They simply are not going to let Mett get LSU beat throwing the ball in high risk/high reward areas. You never see seam routes (over the LB in front of the safety) because they dont trust him.
the OL problems are injuries and also a QB that is struggling to read what is in front of him and holds the ball too long
when they do get a WR with separation and Mett finds him, he is struggling with his accuracy to make the completion.
All of this is part of the developmental process of a young QB. the fact that LSU doesnt have a BIG WR to win one on one battles and cover up Mett's deficiencies is glaring. The fact that LSU doesnt have a speed burner that can get to an overthrown deep ball is glaring as well.
So we are relying on DB breakdowns in their scheme, or flawless execution of our scheme or spectacular plays to succeed.
This is a high wire act with a net
A lot of the inaccuracy issues is footwork but it is also related to mett processing the game mentally. The game is still very fast for him right now but you can see it getting better week after week. Time and reps are going to help him get better and there will come a day when miles will need mett to win a game(s) for LSU like Saban did with mccarron last year in the BCSNCG. Mett will have to earn his stripes the hard way to get that call from Miles.
Posted on 10/22/12 at 1:36 pm to dgnx6
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People tend to forget we have 62 players with about 8 of those holding onto a redshirt. We dont have the talent as other teams with 85 players.
Do we have ULM's talent? Ole Miss's?
There are offenses all over CFB that actually function with way less talent than we have. Players that we don't even recruit are getting it done.
For my part, I don't care what style of O we run, just do something/anything with excellence.
Our D has three returning starters (Logan, Sam, and Reid; I know Mingo, Minter, and Simon all player a lot last yr; nonetheless, only 3 starters are back). They get it done and done impressively. Is it unrealistic to expect our O to perform as well as our D? If so, why?
Posted on 10/22/12 at 1:40 pm to dgnx6
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People tend to forget we have 62 players with about 8 of those holding onto a redshirt. We dont have the talent as other teams with 85 players.
Where are you getting this from?
Posted on 10/22/12 at 1:42 pm to Hot Carl
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This is probably the worst group of WRs we've had at LSU since the 1990s. We have a bunch of short dudes that would have been #3s--at best--on just about every team we've had the last 12-15 years.
program heights and weights:
Odell Beckham Jr 6'0 187lbs
Russell Shepard 6'1 195lbs
Terrence Magee 5'9 212lbs
Paul Turner 5'11 192lbs
Jarvis Landry 6'1 195lbs
Armand Williams 6'3 200lbs
James Wright 6'2 203lbs
Travin Dural 6'2 180lbs - injured
Kadron Boone 6'0 207lbs
I wouldn't say they are short. However there is no true NFL prospect vertical threat in this group and your comment about:
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would have been #3s--at best--on just about every team we've had the last 12-15 years
is well taken
I wonder what is up with Armand Williams.
Posted on 10/22/12 at 1:48 pm to AlwysATgr
I think a couple of points need clarification.
WR's have sucked. WR's have dropped balls in the gut to the tune of probably 250 yards this season. And convert those drive killing plays and you actually get another set of offensive downs to add more yardage.
Now I am not saying the wr are the only problem but anyone that says they aren't part of the problem a biasedly selecting their facts.
The scheme sucks. I am not happy with it, many here are not happy with it. But honestly Miles isn't happy with it that much either. There is a reason we are in this scheme pickle and at least be honest enough to admit that there are legitamite reasons for doing what has been done even if you don't agree with it.
Max protect for a reason! mett can throw a great pass through small windows IF he is unpressured. Less chance of a turnover if he is unpressured. What good are open receivers if Mett isn't going to see them anyway? Right or wrong at least admit there is reason for it.
WR's have sucked. WR's have dropped balls in the gut to the tune of probably 250 yards this season. And convert those drive killing plays and you actually get another set of offensive downs to add more yardage.
Now I am not saying the wr are the only problem but anyone that says they aren't part of the problem a biasedly selecting their facts.
The scheme sucks. I am not happy with it, many here are not happy with it. But honestly Miles isn't happy with it that much either. There is a reason we are in this scheme pickle and at least be honest enough to admit that there are legitamite reasons for doing what has been done even if you don't agree with it.
Max protect for a reason! mett can throw a great pass through small windows IF he is unpressured. Less chance of a turnover if he is unpressured. What good are open receivers if Mett isn't going to see them anyway? Right or wrong at least admit there is reason for it.
Posted on 10/22/12 at 1:50 pm to supatigah
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I wonder what is up with Armand Williams.
Very good question.
Armand was a Arky commit (?) before he signed with us. Obviously, Petrino saw something in him. So consider this: if Petrino was still at Arky, I suspect the Armand Williams would be playing regularly by now and would have better #'s than any WR we have.
Posted on 10/22/12 at 2:07 pm to AlwysATgr
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I suspect the Armand Williams would be playing regularly by now and would have better #'s than any WR we have.
Wow
Posted on 10/22/12 at 2:20 pm to Draconian Sanctions
I'd re-type it all, ...or you can read about it here
Better offensive coordinating makes better offensive players - period
Better offensive coordinating makes better offensive players - period
This post was edited on 10/22/12 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 10/22/12 at 2:43 pm to TigerDat
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I agree unfortunately for Miles he is in a damned if he does damned if he doesn't situation. When we did what we were good at he would hear the pissing and moaning to throw more. Now when he changes and throws it around he hears that we need to run more.
If Miles is calling plays based on what fans are saying then we have bigger problems than we can fathom. Personally, I don't think he gives two shits what fans say...at least I hope he doesn't.
Posted on 10/22/12 at 7:46 pm to Prominentwon
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I suspect the Armand Williams would be playing regularly by now and would have better #'s than any WR we have.
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Wow
Arky's third in receiving is Brandon Mitchell with 15 catches for 257 yds. Interestingly, Mitchell was a 3* recruit from Amite, LA and was a backup QB at Arky. Arky's stats are skewed slightly because it looks like they rely on Cobi Hamilton.
Even though we've played 8 games to their 7 and Tyler Wilson missed a game in its entirety, this would put him at second behind only OBJ in yds and tied for 3rd in catches with Kadron.
So if Armand could beat out a backup QB, he would be playing at Arky and would likely have #'s only behind those of OBJ.
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