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re: Is this FINALLY the lesson that we can't play super conservative on O?
Posted on 1/10/12 at 12:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 1/10/12 at 12:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
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it's understandable with all the major frickups miles had last night, and even more understandable since he gave up i think the fanbase is being light on him considering he quit last night
I'm not defending anything at all from last night. Believe me, I'm sick to my stomach about it.
But there have been posts about people wishing death on miles and shite like that. That isn't cool.
The offense needs to change no doubt. Qb play has been the culprit of bad offense the last few years. But after watching the o line last night, we need to improve greatly there too.
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Posted on 1/10/12 at 12:53 pm to DrSteveBrule
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For some reason Les Miles thinks JJ is definitively the starter
yeah i really don't get it
i mean i think keiland was better than hester, but hester was still really productive and a good back
JJ is anti-productive
Posted on 1/10/12 at 12:53 pm to BeeFense5
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Qb play has been the culprit of bad offense the last few years.
did you happen to miss the Auburn game in 2006?
or most games in 2005?
Posted on 1/10/12 at 12:53 pm to GonePecan
quote:I think next year is going to piss a lot of people off. I think you're going to see a really solid passing offense and good decision making and it's going to make people so pissed he wasn't given a chance to play this past season
if he is supposed to be so great, why couldn't he get any playing time over JJ and his QB abilities
JMO though
Posted on 1/10/12 at 12:55 pm to Pilot Tiger
The 2 Alabama games were the only conservative ones this year. I really just think he was intimidated. And I wanted to say he didn't trust his QBS, but damn, he stuck with Jefferson when he shouldn't have. So im not sure about that.
Posted on 1/10/12 at 12:56 pm to Lester Earl
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And I wanted to say he didn't trust his QBS, but damn, he stuck with Jefferson when he shouldn't have.
it is quite the paradox
Posted on 1/10/12 at 12:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
Last night's offensive wasn't "conservative," it was idiotic. Conservative offenses can put up points. LSU could absolutely wreck with a West Coast offense. But, it would take committing to said offense, which appears to be something our staff is just not interested in. 
Posted on 1/10/12 at 12:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
We lost '06 auburn from ridiculous conservative play no doubt. I was there at auburn in the stadium. Couldn't believe we didn't throw more because we were having success when we passed the ball.
I agree we need to be less conservative. But what are you advocating for here? Dana holgorsen type offense or Jim Mclwain?
I agree we need to be less conservative. But what are you advocating for here? Dana holgorsen type offense or Jim Mclwain?
Posted on 1/10/12 at 12:58 pm to Pilot Tiger
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i mean i think keiland was better than hester, but hester was still really productive and a good back
JJ is anti-productive
Right, Hester got the job done which is why I was ok with it, but I think for many of us it was when we all started scratching our heads.
He needs to be a college football coach instead of acting like he's a friend with certain players.
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I think next year is going to piss a lot of people off. I think you're going to see a really solid passing offense and good decision making and it's going to make people so pissed he wasn't given a chance to play this past season
It already pisses me off. JJ and Lee don't have the demeanor to play in the SEC. Listen to what Mett said after the game last night, his attitude alone blows JJ and Lee out of the water.
Posted on 1/10/12 at 12:58 pm to Stagg8
they threw like 2 passes over 10 yards, how can you not say it wasn't conservative?
and was running the ball in the 4th Q when the game was on the line; after it was already proven that we couldnt run the ball.
and was running the ball in the 4th Q when the game was on the line; after it was already proven that we couldnt run the ball.
Posted on 1/10/12 at 12:59 pm to Pilot Tiger
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if he is supposed to be so great, why couldn't he get any playing time over JJ and his QB abilities
I think next year is going to piss a lot of people off. I think you're going to see a really solid passing offense and good decision making and it's going to make people so pissed he wasn't given a chance to play this past season
I believe Miles stated that Mettenberger was the best passing QB on the team once this year. It's my guess that people will be pissed because next year LSU still will not throw the ball more than 15 times a game.
Posted on 1/10/12 at 1:00 pm to Lester Earl
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and was running the ball in the 4th Q when the game was on the line; after it was already proven that we couldnt run the ball.
The fullback dive play in the 4th quarter on third down was the worst call I have seen in football in a long time.
Posted on 1/10/12 at 1:00 pm to Lester Earl
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they threw like 2 passes over 10 yards, how can you not say it wasn't conservative?
and was running the ball in the 4th Q when the game was on the line; after it was already proven that we couldnt run the ball.
like he said, it was idiotic.
Posted on 1/10/12 at 1:01 pm to Lester Earl
Lester, you have got to be the absolute worst at replying to posts without reading them. My point is that last night was worse than "conservative" play calling. It was simply "nonsensical." Plenty of "conservative" offenses would be capable of putting up big numbers. Alabama, Stanford, USC, etc all run "conservative" offenses.
Posted on 1/10/12 at 1:02 pm to BeeFense5
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I'm with you. But some people have taken things too far.
You see, this is the problem with you SUPERFANS. You single out the most extreme, fringe idiot fans that we have, and apply that to anyone who disagrees with you. I dare you to defend the 4th quarter play calling. I dare you. It's inexcusable. I don't want him gone, but we do deserve better than this:
15:00 LSU Rush: Kenny Hilliard rushed right for 2 yards.
14:45 LSU Rush: Kenny Hilliard up the middle for 1 yard.
14:10 LSU Rush: Michael Ford up the middle for 4 yards.
13:35 LSU Rush: Jordan Jefferson rushed right for 3 yards.
13:14 LSU Rush: J.C. Copeland up the middle for 1 yard.
13:00 LSU Punt: Brad Wing punted the ball 43 yards, out of bounds at the Alabama 17.
12:30 Alabama Rush: Trent Richardson up the middle to the Alabama 20 for 3 yards.
12:15 Alabama Rush: Trent Richardson up the middle to the Alabama 21 for 2 yards.
10:55 Alabama Sack: A.J. McCarron sacked by Kevin Minter for -7 yards.
10:30 Alabama Punt: Cody Mandell punted 52 yards from the Alabama 14 to the L-S-U 34. Tyrann Mathieu returned to the L-S-U 35 for 1 yard.
9:44 LSU Rush: Spencer Ware rushed right for 5 yards.
9:30 LSU Rush: Jordan Jefferson up the middle for 3 yards.
8:55 LSU Rush: Kenny Hilliard up the middle for 7 yards.
8:30 LSU Rush: Jordan Jefferson up the middle to the Alabama 31 for 19 yards.
8:10 LSU Rush: Michael Ford rushed left to the Alabama 35 for -3 yards.
Posted on 1/10/12 at 1:04 pm to BeeFense5
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But what are you advocating for here? Dana holgorsen type offense or Jim Mclwain?
more like USC
run the ball, especially a varied running attack (more zone cutback running plays off tackle)
change things up. run out of 3 WR sets (from under center) and pass on 1st down. go deep more often to keep safeties back and open up the running game
you can have an aggressive offense based around the run. you just have to get creative. we still almost 100% run up the gut out of traditional sets, and option out of the pistol/shotgun. thre is no variety
Posted on 1/10/12 at 1:05 pm to ZZTIGERS
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. I dare you to defend the 4th quarter play calling. I dare you. It's inexcusable. I don't want him gone, but we do deserve better than this:
I don't think I have seen one person defend the play calling. I havent ever seen worse play calling. It was terrible. Bad gameplan over all.
Posted on 1/10/12 at 1:06 pm to Stagg8
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Lester, you have got to be the absolute worst at replying to posts without reading them.
I read it all man. You said it wasn't conservative, it was idiotic.
Well yea, it was idiotic because it was so conservative.
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Plenty of "conservative" offenses would be capable of putting up big numbers
not last night.
Posted on 1/10/12 at 1:11 pm to Stagg8
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Plenty of "conservative" offenses would be capable of putting up big numbers.
against good defenses?
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Alabama, Stanford, USC, etc all run "conservative" offenses.
just b/c you run the ball doesn't make your offense conservative
Posted on 1/10/12 at 1:12 pm to Cold Cous Cous
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last night that wasn't the problem. Last night I don't know what we were on offense. Bubble screens? 4 yard slants? Fullback dive to JC Copeland? The most poorly run speed options I have ever seen? Just a random mishmash of stuff.
To do anything successfully against a good defense, you have to have a quarterback, and we haven't had one since 2007.
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