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re: I'm getting sick of our hitters swinging at the first pitch so often
Posted on 3/31/17 at 10:41 pm to TDFreak
Posted on 3/31/17 at 10:41 pm to TDFreak
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It was just last year -LAST YEAR- folks were complaining about how they weren't swinging on the first pitch. It was so bad, the pitchers were lobbing them in because they knew CPM made them take the first strike.
truth
Posted on 3/31/17 at 10:49 pm to kack44blade
Early in the game, we had 3 hits on the first pitch (and more outs on the first pitch). 1 from a hit and run... we still just have 3 hits on the first pitch. But we are now getting deeper in counts and hitters counts. This is what seems to work. 
Posted on 3/31/17 at 10:51 pm to ell_13
They've done a better job of working the count in the past few innings
I agree with the OP
I agree with the OP
This post was edited on 3/31/17 at 10:51 pm
Posted on 3/31/17 at 11:15 pm to Gray Tiger
I don't think you understand what I'm saying when I say "have a plan." There's a difference in swinging at the first strike you see and swinging at your pitch on the first pitch. When you step into the box you want to have an idea of what you want to do with that particular at bat. When you are going up there and swing at the first strike you see just because it's close is not smart hitting. It produces a lot of weak ground balls and pop ups, which has been our problem. When you go up there looking to work the count and have a productive at bat you make the percentage of those weak ground balls and pop ups go down. That doesn't mean you automatically take the first pitch. That means if you get your pitch, one that you can drive in the gaps or over the fence if you have that ability, you take your hack at it. If it's a strike but it's not your pitch let it go and work the count and make the pitcher make the mistake. This isn't high school ball. First pitch fastball isn't necessarily going to be the best pitch you see.
Posted on 4/1/17 at 10:15 am to ell_13
Btw that and taking hacks at questionable pitches, even in favorable counts. Freeman took a hack at a 2-0 P that almost hit him. They showed how far he had to pull his hands in just to get the bat on the ball. Next batter Duplantis then swings at 1st p FB low and away for a lazy pop up to OF....cmon guys. You are better than this.
Posted on 4/1/17 at 10:24 am to ell_13
One of the A&M relievers started off essentially every batter with a fastball. If that's the trend, why not sit dead red on first pitch?
Posted on 4/1/17 at 10:53 am to Stevo
Is every fastball a good pitch to hit?
Posted on 4/1/17 at 12:09 pm to ell_13
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I'm getting sick of our hitters swinging at the first pitch so often
I would like to see them work the count consistently, make the starter throw more pitches, thus increasing the likelihood he makes a mistake, and if he doesn't, getting him out of the game sooner due to pitch count.
Take more balls (unless you're on a 2-srrike count and it's close), and foul them off until he gives you one you can drive.
Edit: Primarily speaking to our approach against opposing teams' aces. Prime example would be Faedo.
This post was edited on 4/1/17 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 4/1/17 at 12:28 pm to ell_13
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Neither is going after the very first strike you see.
That's an ignorant comment.
Posted on 4/1/17 at 12:30 pm to TDFreak
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Please tell me one of you have a memory longer than a fly.
It was just last year -LAST YEAR- folks were complaining about how they weren't swinging on the first pitch. It was so bad, the pitchers were lobbing them in because they knew CPM made them take the first strike.
Sheesh.
we have a winner
Posted on 4/1/17 at 12:33 pm to MOT
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Just because it is a fastball and a strike doesn't mean it's a good pitch to hit.
Maybe not, but the chances are very high that if a pitch meets those criteria, it WILL be the best pitch to swing at in an at bat... and you are going to automatically burn it just for the sake of burning it? Thats dumb, and certainly not an aggressive approach which this team definitely needs.
Posted on 4/1/17 at 12:36 pm to Geaux Tahel
You don't understand. I'm not suggesting "burning it for the sake of burning it". It's not like I'm suggesting PM put on a take call on every 0-0 count. If you can't see the difference between the approach we had in the first 3 innings and the last 5, this conversation isn't for you.
Posted on 4/1/17 at 12:51 pm to Number 31
quote:Different pitchers require different plans.
I would like to see them work the count consistently, make the starter throw more pitches, thus increasing the likelihood he makes a miatake, and if he doesn't, getting him out of the game sooner due to pitch count.
I'd be more hesitant to swing at 1st pitch FB from a pitcher that delivers them with big movement, compared to straight heat.
Posted on 4/1/17 at 12:57 pm to Geaux Tahel
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Thats dumb
Sure it is, that's why no one has suggested taking pitches just for the sake of taking them. There is a very clear difference between swinging at strikes early just because it is a strike, which is what most of you are suggesting, and swinging early at a good pitch to hit.
We can get away with it over the course of most seasons because we have the talent to do so, but we will go through slumps and struggle against deeper staffs that locate well. I know this may be a shock to some of you, but the goal for the opposing pitching staff and coach isn't to strike everyone out, and you're doing exactly what they want by putting pitchers' pitches in play early in the at bat.
Posted on 4/1/17 at 1:14 pm to monsterballads
Context
Context
Context.
They were in a team wide slump and not working pitchers at all so it is/was a valid point.
Shut out twice in 5 games then you need to adjust.
All sports making adjustments even in game adjustments or in baseball in bat adjustments can mean the difference between a win and a loss.
Context
Context.
They were in a team wide slump and not working pitchers at all so it is/was a valid point.
Shut out twice in 5 games then you need to adjust.
All sports making adjustments even in game adjustments or in baseball in bat adjustments can mean the difference between a win and a loss.
Posted on 4/1/17 at 1:20 pm to Mayhawman
quote:Point taken. I should have clarified that I was primarily speaking about approach to Friday night starters.
Different pitchers require different plans.
I'd we had a patient approach against Faedo he'd have walked five or six and been out of the game by the 6th or 7th inning, even if we weren't hitting him.
I didn't see the first five innings of the Thursday game against A&M so not really sure if applicable to that game.
This post was edited on 4/1/17 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 4/1/17 at 1:41 pm to ell_13
quote:
m getting sick of our hitters swinging at the first pitch so often
Id rather them do that than watch 2 piped fastballs them swing at a curve in the dirt and strikeout
Posted on 4/1/17 at 1:47 pm to The Pirate King
Good thing those aren't the only two outcomes then, right?
This post was edited on 4/1/17 at 1:48 pm
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