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re: I'm Becoming More Convinced That Wade Cheated
Posted on 3/12/19 at 6:47 am to chalmetteowl
Posted on 3/12/19 at 6:47 am to chalmetteowl
The thing that surprises me most about the reaction thus far is that it seems that fans are ignoring the big picture here.
Ok, so everyone does this sort of thing. Ok, I definitely do believe that. But what people aren't being honest about is that in this cess pool that college basketball operates, you need a coach with enough sense to never EVER speak of these arrangement to anyone at any time... Especially not on the phone. It is truly mind boggling how careless he was.
For as great of a coach as he is, and for all of his truly astounding and transformational abilities, he possesses a fatal flaw. It is his carelessness. This outweighs his accomplishments.
He is not and never was the total package. In fact, his abilities as a coach increased the potential for this disaster. He was the perfect storm for this program, and we will pay dearly for it.
Ok, so everyone does this sort of thing. Ok, I definitely do believe that. But what people aren't being honest about is that in this cess pool that college basketball operates, you need a coach with enough sense to never EVER speak of these arrangement to anyone at any time... Especially not on the phone. It is truly mind boggling how careless he was.
For as great of a coach as he is, and for all of his truly astounding and transformational abilities, he possesses a fatal flaw. It is his carelessness. This outweighs his accomplishments.
He is not and never was the total package. In fact, his abilities as a coach increased the potential for this disaster. He was the perfect storm for this program, and we will pay dearly for it.
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Posted on 3/12/19 at 6:50 am to NC_Tigah
I hadn’t seen that. Jesus.
Either way, I stand by my statement that Wade was busted, and shouldn’t have talked about any of this over the phone.
I highly doubt we hear tape of coach K or other blue blood programs. Because they know how to do it. Wade was sloppy.
Either way, I stand by my statement that Wade was busted, and shouldn’t have talked about any of this over the phone.
I highly doubt we hear tape of coach K or other blue blood programs. Because they know how to do it. Wade was sloppy.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 6:57 am to NC_Tigah
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If Wade is inappropriately damaged in the crossfire, Haney couldn't care less. Ditto for Thamel and Wetzel who are none the worse for wear after previous instances of erroneous reporting. The Wade leak is simply one means to a hopeful end by Haney in Dawkins defense, and attention by a team of attention-whore writers. Getting it right is of secondary interest to each.
These sort of leaks seem like the act of a defendant who’ll be eager to plea for a lesser sentence.
My bold prediction is that this will be settled before the trial date, nothing more will come of it, and Wade will not testify...end of story. If that happens, the only concern will be whether the NCAA seeks to take action. Hopefully, they won’t have enough to really go after Wade, at that point.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 6:58 am to NC_Tigah
There isn't a single person here who honestly thinks he didn't cheat. But we all know everyone cheats, so it's impossible to compete if you don't.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 7:03 am to LSUfanaddict
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I reread the leak as reported by ESPN Chattanooga. Wade said he made an offer, that it was tilted toward the player and his mother, and that the third party didn't like his share of the deal.
Here you have Wade admitting to making an offer. That it involved his mother and a third-party, presumably a middleman, seems to prove it was not just a scholarship but was improper and against NCAA rules.
That IS pretty damning.
Hey, I don't like the current rules. I think players should be paid. However, it gives coaches no license to break the rules. If reform needs to be made, GET THE RULES CHANGED.
It baffles me, that we still have jackasses like yourself that don't realize what's going on in college basketball.
We all know, we have players on the LSU basketball team that received illegal benefits. Our issue with the ordeal is there are 50+ other teams and coaches wrapped up in this. None of those schools have suspended their players nor their coach over these allegations.
Please before you post some dumb shite again, do some research.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 7:12 am to LSUfanaddict
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Yet "Everybody's doing it" is not an excuse
Everyone else was busted by the FBI, some for worse than Wade is alleged to have done, and the media outrage is only directed at LSU and Wade while protecting their financial interests, ie Duke, Kansas, etc. If LSU gets equal sanctions from the NCAA as every other school that was caught cheating by the FBI, I'm good with it. But we know that's not going to happen.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 7:14 am to cas4t
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I hadn’t seen that. Jesus.
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Just consider the text exchange between Gassnola and Self on Sept. 19, 2017, shortly after Kansas and Adidas had agreed to a new $191 million apparel deal.
After Gassnola thanked Self for helping complete the deal, Self responded “Just got to get a couple real guys,” seemingly referring to recruits.
Gassnola texted back: “In my mind, it’s KU, Bill Self. Everyone else fall into line. Too (expletive) bad That’s what’s right for Adidas basketball. And I know I’m right. The more you have lottery picks and you happy. That’s how it should work in my mind.”
Self responded: “That’s how (it) works. At UNC and Duke.”
Gassnola answered that it works that way at Kentucky, too.
“I promise you I got this,” he texted Self. “I have never let you down. Except (Deandre Ayton). Lol. We will get it right.”
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Posted on 3/12/19 at 7:15 am to Gray Tiger
Lol, everyone has read the article.
What if Wade is bitching about being shaken down by a middle man after making a great offer of a scholarship, playing for the home team, being taken care of in Louisiana after he graduates and being able to see his mom, and the middle man is pissed he isn’t getting money?
And I’m not delusional. I kjow That’s not what he’s offering but you don’t get probabtion based on what people THINK you meant.
What if Wade is bitching about being shaken down by a middle man after making a great offer of a scholarship, playing for the home team, being taken care of in Louisiana after he graduates and being able to see his mom, and the middle man is pissed he isn’t getting money?
And I’m not delusional. I kjow That’s not what he’s offering but you don’t get probabtion based on what people THINK you meant.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 7:20 am to SammyTiger
It’s not just in basketball. The same thing is going on in football.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 7:22 am to NC_Tigah
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You sound like a catcher in life.
Just pour my coffee and shut the frick up.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 7:24 am to LSUfanaddict
That's not the point. And I don't really call it cheating because if you want to compete you have to do what the "Blue Bloods" are doing.
It's the fact that everyone does it and it has been proven many times.
Here are some articles to prove it:
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Charles Barkley, in Charles Barkley fashion
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This is a quote from the Barkley article.
It's the fact that everyone does it and it has been proven many times.
Here are some articles to prove it:
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Charles Barkley, in Charles Barkley fashion
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This is a quote from the Barkley article.
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“I’m still trying to figure out why the FBI is involved,” Barkley said on the FBI’s on going investigation into NCAA basketball, via Scott Gleeson of USA Today Sports. “Listen, I went to college in 1981. We cheated back then. We’re cheating now. They’re always cheating. The toothpaste is out of the tube. They said they gave that kid at Arizona [Deandre Ayton] $100,000. He was underpaid. There must’ve been closed bidding because I would’ve gave his [expletive] more.”
Posted on 3/12/19 at 7:28 am to LSUfanaddict
everyone knows this already. the question is can it be PROVEN
Posted on 3/12/19 at 7:33 am to LSUfanaddict
And correct me if I am wrong, the FBI wasn't doing an investigation on whether or not colleges were paying players right? This was more about people like Christian Dawkins. It's just that yahoo made this a story right?
Posted on 3/12/19 at 7:40 am to LSUfanaddict
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Yet "Everybody's doing it" is not an excuse. I will leave it there.
Actually yes. Yes it is.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 7:40 am to TSmith
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a coach with enough sense to never EVER speak of these arrangement to anyone at any time... Especially not on the phone. It is truly mind boggling how careless he was.
This is Wade's biggest issue and why he's being called to the principal's office and not still coaching. I understand what's going on, and understand that Wade is likely guilty, but to suspend him with circumstantial evidence is pointless and only makes LSU look bad both on and off the court.
If Alleva/LSU Admins would've just said we are going to wait for ALL of the evidence, but until then, in our previous discussions with Coach Wade he said all of this was just talk on a phone and nothing illegal occurred.
Most LSU fans know there's likely some type of NCAA infraction that occurred, but are pissed about the handling of the situation and not that WW may've broken NCAA rules. Why? Because UNC was busted and stood their ground. Kansas was busted! Arizona was busted! Clemson, likely Duke/Zion, FSU... The fallout has been minimal and no other head coaches are taking the fall despite knowing what's up and no other suspensions of the other top players like Zion who under the same investigation are as guilty or more than WW.
LSU and certain "super fans" are just scared to play the game because politics gets involved. The BOS, Alleva and F'King and the external involvement lead to virtue signaling because that's how you handle problems in politics now. You DESTROY people and organizations (even those closest to you) by making them look guilty to make YOURSELF look like a hero to the "victims" of this heinous crime (the other cheaters)!
This post was edited on 3/12/19 at 7:50 am
Posted on 3/12/19 at 7:48 am to LSUfanaddict
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I reread the leak as reported by ESPN Chattanooga. Wade said he made an offer, that it was tilted toward the player and his mother, and that the third party didn't like his share of the deal. Here you have Wade admitting to making an offer. That it involved his mother and a third-party, presumably a middleman, seems to prove it was not just a scholarship but was improper and against NCAA rules. That IS pretty damning.
Welcome to last week. This Dawkins dealing is even more damning that the 2019 kid, Balsa, that the October leak was about. It also shows that Wade was dealing with Dawkins for at least two prospects. How many more are there?
Posted on 3/12/19 at 7:49 am to LSUfanaddict
I'm sure he did cheat... He better have cheated. That's what we were paying him for. In other words, do what top college programs do in order to meet their expectations. I'm not going to sit here like one of the several other hypocritical little bitches, feign shock and self righteousness and pretend like Wade did anything but exactly what I wanted him to do in an environment where such behavior is completely common place.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 7:53 am to LSUfanaddict
Where is the proof ? NCAA has NO ongoing investigation. The defense of the trial has leaked this information. The FBI has NO investigation into Will Wade, he is not being charged with anything. The defense subpoenaed Will Wade, not the prosecution. Arizona, Duke, Kansas, etc....have not gotten rid of their coaches or sat their players, and there are tapes of their coaches/assistants stating they will offer around 100k/exact donations etc...
Why did our administration not have our coaches back until all the facts are out? They did an about face and are saying he is guilty until proven innocent. The season will be vacated anyway if more evidence is found, because WW coached the whole season and smart played the whole season. The administration has mishandled this, and Aleva, just like that Duke fiasco, has no spine or displays any signs of good leadership. It's a travesty how they have handled this and let the media dictate the situation.
Why did our administration not have our coaches back until all the facts are out? They did an about face and are saying he is guilty until proven innocent. The season will be vacated anyway if more evidence is found, because WW coached the whole season and smart played the whole season. The administration has mishandled this, and Aleva, just like that Duke fiasco, has no spine or displays any signs of good leadership. It's a travesty how they have handled this and let the media dictate the situation.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 7:56 am to Cracking
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Alleva/LSU Admins would've just said we are going to wait for ALL of the evidence, but until then, in our previous discussions with Coach Wade
I may be totally wrong on this but it seems to me that they had discussions when the first leak happened and the administration was good but the latest leak had information tht Wade withheld in the first meeting. The administration wanted him to come talk more about it and he refused. Which is probably the right move on his part. The administration decided to suspend him which is also the right move on their part. If my boss wanted to speak o me regarding something fishy I did and I refused I would also be suspended until they could figure everything out. My point is I don’t think either are necessarily in the wrong here it just sucks it happened now.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 7:59 am to GeauxTigers120
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Where is the proof ? NCAA has NO ongoing investigation
There’s a criminal investigation, the NCAA won’t start until the FBI is done. Way more facts will come out about bylaws violations then, the FBI doesn’t care about that. Wade is on wiretap over two prospects already, we have no idea what else is there.
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