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re: If you sign too many 3 star corners...
Posted on 9/27/20 at 9:12 am to LuzianaFootball
Posted on 9/27/20 at 9:12 am to LuzianaFootball
LuzianaFootball
Scheme won't fix a lack of talent.
Flott is still stick-thin (165 pounds) and not fast.
Scheme won't fix a lack of talent.
Flott is still stick-thin (165 pounds) and not fast.
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Posted on 9/27/20 at 9:29 am to mpwilging
Flott seems more comfortable in the nickel spot. I'll reserve judgment about the secondary until Stingley gets back because I think he and Ricks on the outside will be really good. We really missed Vincent and Stingley yesterday.
Posted on 9/27/20 at 10:09 am to GeauxLSU4
I thought flott looked pretty good last year when he was in there honestly. Had a bad day yesterday but maybe it’s a bump in the road.
Posted on 9/27/20 at 10:21 am to sanora
Or maybe he was benefitting a lot more on safety help etc. I will just say this...the ONLY CB I trusted completely "on an island" last season was Stingley. Vincent a little bit and Fulton some. I remember Fulton for example getting called quite a bit for holding/PI but obviously good enough to be NFL drafted. But the rest who played, not really much at all.
Posted on 9/27/20 at 10:28 am to LuzianaFootball
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This was all about scheme and being one step too late against a QB with an attitude and short clock in his head.
Crossing routes can't be stopped playing man-to-man. The route itself creates separation. If the CB runs 4.3 and the WR 4.5, the WR will win that 9/10 times.
Posted on 9/27/20 at 10:49 am to Lsuismyfav
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Crossing routes can't be stopped playing man-to-man. The route itself creates separation.
I was wondering if anyone has ever tried this and would this work. Sort of the opposite of a box and one in basketball where they have 4 playing zone and one playing man to man. Keep everyone in the back 7 playing man to man if you wish except one guy. I would nominate Cox who has speed and ball skills. Put him in the middle about 12 yards past the LOS and see how those crossing routes work then. My guess is...not so much.
Posted on 9/27/20 at 11:04 am to LSUTiger2020
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but obviously good enough to be NFL drafted.
Not just NFL drafted, not just NFL 53-man roster cut, but playing as an NFL rookie. There is no need to downplay anything Fulton did last season at all.
Posted on 9/27/20 at 11:15 am to Lsuismyfav
The issue I had was the lack of effort by Flott, Ward and Evans. Rick's got Burned once but progressed as the day went on. People are yelling about Brennan, but he had half a dozen or so drops, and ran for his life the whole day. Deculus and Rosenthal flat failed to show up. Jabril Cox and Ali Gaye looked good, but neither covers WRs.
Posted on 9/27/20 at 11:23 am to alumni95
It’s funny, I have a brother who was down on Fulton all year last year. I told him are you kidding me? He is awesome. He disagreed and always put him down. I told him he is a first day draft pick and at least a 6 year starter in the league. Oh what I wouldn’t give for two more just like him this year!
Posted on 9/27/20 at 12:17 pm to LSUTiger2020
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Yeah, there was a reason that Flott, Ward, and Evans weren't highly recruited. They belong in Conference USA or the Sun Belt conference, not the SEC.
I could not believe how you can follow a receiver into the corner of the endzone or into the sideline and never turn around and look for the dam ball...
I also could not believe we played bump and run and had no bump... guys just running right past dbs.
The silver lining will be if these guys learn from these mistakes and never make them again.
Posted on 9/27/20 at 2:12 pm to Dubaitiger
This is exactly right. Ward and Flott are backups at best. Imagine them trying to cover Florida's and Bama's receivers !! We have no depth at CB. Stingley and Ricks will have to get the lion's share of the minutes there
Posted on 9/27/20 at 10:10 pm to lsufanva
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But Corey Raymond is a hero to all of us I thought? That's what most say when he signs a big time DB and people say pay him more money. He's as responsible for today as Pelini.
Or the Head Coach.
Posted on 9/27/20 at 10:37 pm to GeauxLSU4
Yes I think and thought nickle was going to be his position this year and then pump to starting corner opposite ricks the year stingley leaves. Stingley not being their this game and vincent opt out is a huge jump up in his progress. By a year or 2 imo
Posted on 9/27/20 at 10:40 pm to Lsutigerturner
But I still think he is a starting CB just needs to look at this tape and learn. Raymond will be able to teach a lot. There is so much film hope he has some help to really go over every single route that was run and break it down for all of his guys bc they may get over loaded lol
Posted on 9/27/20 at 11:38 pm to WVtiger
Idk, I thought 5,25,1 all looked pretty good but inexperienced. 25 made some plays and got beat on some plays buy some great routes, throws and catches. I think he will be fine but the safeties seemed like they might as well not even be out there and 26 should just return his jersey imo.
Posted on 9/27/20 at 11:41 pm to LSUTiger2020
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The pass rush of course could always be better
The pass rush was better than I seen all last season. Our DB play was just that bad.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 12:23 am to WVtiger
Slow
Posted on 9/28/20 at 1:30 am to ipodking
Not ready? He is a soph now. When is he going to be ready?
Posted on 9/28/20 at 6:43 am to lsufanva
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laming Corey Raymond is certainly apt. Did you see the technique used most of the day? It was horrible. That's Corey Raymond. If our CBs belong in group of 5 conferences, who chose them? That's on Corey Raymond.
I agree it's not his fault for Pelini sending the lambs to slaughter but to say Raymond is not with major fault when these are his hand picked kids displaying a lack of technique he's responsible for teaching is being disingenuous. Maybe there's a reason he's been one of the lowest paid coaches on our staff for all those years. Maybe the DCs were covering his flaws as a coach with scheme.
I'm not saying fire him or that I don't believe he's still a good coach. Maybe it was just that opponent exposed things that wont be exposed again this year but he's definitely due major blame for yesterday.
This Pelini's scheme with man-to-man against a Leach offense all day. He was able to get one-on-ones with crossing routes all day and Pelini had no answers defensively except to blitz which exacerbated the problem. Pelini made the calls, not Raymond and Busch. Pelini put in the defensive game-plan, not Raymond and Busch. They didn't have this kind of problem in Aranda's scheme. They literally broke records this weekend. Bad ones. The only difference was the DC from 2019.
I remember Stevens saying this scheme was simpler, but simple does not always mean better.
This post was edited on 9/28/20 at 6:46 am
Posted on 9/28/20 at 7:49 am to Will2nd
This is what happens when you miss on Goodrich, Surtain, Banks et al
Corey is usually good for getting 1 headliner but the depth always sucks and that shouldn’t happen at #DBU
Corey is usually good for getting 1 headliner but the depth always sucks and that shouldn’t happen at #DBU
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