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re: If you agree that Coach O was not the right hire at the time...
Posted on 1/2/18 at 3:52 pm to Freauxzen
Posted on 1/2/18 at 3:52 pm to Freauxzen
I agree that O shouldn’t have been hired. However, if LSU has hired Frost they would be looking for another new HC right now because he would still be going home to Nebraska.
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Posted on 1/2/18 at 3:57 pm to LSU GrandDad
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how intelligent.
what are you, 12 years old?
He's response was flippant, but nearly 100% correct, you know?
We hired a man with a sub .500 career coaching record and then HOPED he'd do better because he promised he'd grown up.
So...in a manner of speaking, ANYONE ELSE who had an above .500 career record or had been a successful coordinator would have made a better potential hire.
Other than for the fact that we hired him, there's not one good reason for why we would have before we did. While many names would have been less sexy than Jimbo or Herman even to the point of lackluster or even disappointing. so long as they had a better resume, they'd have arguably made a far superior hire.
And this answer will be true, regardless of how many times dummies keep asking this tired arse question.
And I'm 47.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 3:59 pm to frankenfish
Dan Mullen will work wonders at UF, could have worked wonders here. Alas Alas.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 4:09 pm to frankenfish
I'm not that bent out of shape about the O hire, since the only other option for Alleva was Tom Herman. Not sold on ole Tommy Boy one bit, and I'm glad we aren't locked into him.
O has generally proven to be a more-than-competent recruiter, so I figure a realistic worst-case scenario would be for O to bumble around in the 8-4 to 9-3 realm for a couple of years before getting his arse fired - at which point hopefully Alleva won't be the AD, which would mean a REAL coaching search from a real AD.
O has generally proven to be a more-than-competent recruiter, so I figure a realistic worst-case scenario would be for O to bumble around in the 8-4 to 9-3 realm for a couple of years before getting his arse fired - at which point hopefully Alleva won't be the AD, which would mean a REAL coaching search from a real AD.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 4:13 pm to Ace Midnight
Whoever coaches Troy would have been a better hire, obviously.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 6:11 pm to Ace Midnight
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Then the plan was horrible.
Well no shite. O was the backup plan for the backup plan. But there should have been a a lot of other plans between getting worked by Jimbo and hiring Orgeron.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 6:15 pm to frankenfish
I liked and started a thread about Mullen. Should have seen how many people called me an idiot. I also liked (and still do) the upside of Fleck, but overall of the realistic choice of candidates list, I though and still do that Orgeron was the best hire considering the circumstances
Posted on 1/2/18 at 7:46 pm to Buryl
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I'm not that bent out of shape about the O hire, since the only other option for Alleva was Tom Herman
What are you talking about? It really is quite fascinating how unbelievably stupid some people are.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 8:05 pm to Rickdaddy4188
1) No one gives a shite about ole miss you fricking tard.
2) two losses happened earlier in year, other two were to top 15 teams to which LSU did more than hold their own.
3)historic? Ok....Sometimes that happens when you play young kids and key veteran players are injured, ask jimbo fisher about it ... just curious did your stupid fricking arse notice what happened when extended game reps mounted and health returned to certain players?
4) God forbid a hire doesn't work out, id expect you to know and understand that, being as getting fired is surely nothing new to you.
2) two losses happened earlier in year, other two were to top 15 teams to which LSU did more than hold their own.
3)historic? Ok....Sometimes that happens when you play young kids and key veteran players are injured, ask jimbo fisher about it ... just curious did your stupid fricking arse notice what happened when extended game reps mounted and health returned to certain players?
4) God forbid a hire doesn't work out, id expect you to know and understand that, being as getting fired is surely nothing new to you.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 8:06 pm to frankenfish
At least 15 or 20 other coaches just off the top of my head
Posted on 1/2/18 at 8:24 pm to lsucoonass
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But I guess those days are long and gone
Agree with this 99%, but there are times when you just have to roll your eyes and say WTF was he thinking putting this face on a top ten football program??
My position was and shall remain that Les should have been told prior to '15 season that we are in a search for a new HC, therefore this will likely be your last year. Once a replacement is found, you will be replaced. If at the end of '15 a new hire had not been made, continue on same basis. Continue through '16 if required. If Les lays down on job or sabotages recruiting or other offenses, you have an out in his contract. Replace with the correct choice based on availability over this period of time and move forward. You always have Oeaux available as an interim should a short term need arise.
Simple.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 8:54 pm to frankenfish
Y'know, when people say the process was worse than the result, I tend to agree.
Consider- you want to replace Miles, you think it's time. Fine, ok. Miles, believe it or not, was not terrible, nor was he quitting and leaving us in the lurch.
So you identify the guy(s) you want, you make contact, and you go out and get them. And you don't fire Miles until you know you have them.
Somebody said Jimbo was just milking for more money; well, no shite. We fired our current HC 4 games into the season, we HAD to make a hire. Jimbo (or whoever is approached at that point) has ALL the leverage, he isn't going to say yes to the first or second offer. He has you by the balls.
Alleva chose not to continue that negotiation, and Jimbo said "oh well, I guess I'm gonna stay at Florida State if you won't pay me". I mean, if that's your fallback plan, it's a pretty good one, and Jimbo played it well. A&M chose to pursue him, and met his terms. He went there instead.
If you absolutely feel you must fire Miles without a guy set to take his spot, then you look at the up and comers. Aranda would have been a nice choice, and I'm pretty sure if we offered, he'd have taken it.
O makes no sense. He couldn't have been the guy you initially wanted, and he doesn't have the potential to become the next hot stud. He's literally just an extended interim, the only good thing you could say about him was that LSU and USC didn't tank when he was interim. That's continued this year, the team didn't tank the season. Wasn't great, didn't stand out, just didn't totally collapse.
Is that really all we ask for the program now?
Consider- you want to replace Miles, you think it's time. Fine, ok. Miles, believe it or not, was not terrible, nor was he quitting and leaving us in the lurch.
So you identify the guy(s) you want, you make contact, and you go out and get them. And you don't fire Miles until you know you have them.
Somebody said Jimbo was just milking for more money; well, no shite. We fired our current HC 4 games into the season, we HAD to make a hire. Jimbo (or whoever is approached at that point) has ALL the leverage, he isn't going to say yes to the first or second offer. He has you by the balls.
Alleva chose not to continue that negotiation, and Jimbo said "oh well, I guess I'm gonna stay at Florida State if you won't pay me". I mean, if that's your fallback plan, it's a pretty good one, and Jimbo played it well. A&M chose to pursue him, and met his terms. He went there instead.
If you absolutely feel you must fire Miles without a guy set to take his spot, then you look at the up and comers. Aranda would have been a nice choice, and I'm pretty sure if we offered, he'd have taken it.
O makes no sense. He couldn't have been the guy you initially wanted, and he doesn't have the potential to become the next hot stud. He's literally just an extended interim, the only good thing you could say about him was that LSU and USC didn't tank when he was interim. That's continued this year, the team didn't tank the season. Wasn't great, didn't stand out, just didn't totally collapse.
Is that really all we ask for the program now?
Posted on 1/2/18 at 9:09 pm to R11
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No one gives a shite about ole miss you fricking tard
yeah lets just dismiss the only time anyone let O make long term decisions.
you do realize that coaches are JUDGED ON THEIR PAST,RIGHT?
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two losses happened earlier in year, other two were to top 15 teams to which LSU did more than hold their own.
2 historically bad losses
we had 4 losses in the weakest schedule in 2 decades
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historic? Ok....Sometimes that happens when you play young kids and key veteran players are injure
holy shite. our 2nd team secondary has more future nfl talent than Troy.
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just curious did your stupid fricking arse notice what happened when extended game reps mounted and health returned to certain players?
yes we played 6 teams with at least 6 losses
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God forbid a hire doesn't work out, id expect you to know and understand that, being as getting fired is surely nothing new to you.
ive literally never been fired.
im sorry facts shite all over your football ignorant opinion.
Posted on 1/3/18 at 11:11 am to landrywasbeast30
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I'm not that bent out of shape about the O hire, since the only other option for Alleva was Tom Herman
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What are you talking about? It really is quite fascinating how unbelievably stupid some people are.
I'm talking about how Alleva's "coaching search" really only considered Tom Herman, and once Herman went to Texas he went running to Orgeron... Nick Saban wasn't an option. Kirby Smart wasn't an option. Urban Meyer wasn't an option. The choice was Tom Herman or Ed Orgeron... and Herman was 99% to Texas. That was the scenario under Alleva.... Is everything you're incapable of understanding "stupid"?
Welcome to reality!
Posted on 1/3/18 at 11:51 am to Buryl
Don't dismiss the behind the scenes lurking of all in the "pro Miles" camp and in the "not Coach O" camp.
The source of the "unusually" hostile rhetoric.
These people would prefer to take LSU down just so they are proven correct.
I have been around LSU for a long time ... most of you were not even alive and I have disliked quite a few coaches, but as an LSU fan, I have never, would never, openly demonstrate such constant hatred for any LSU coach. Weakening an LSU coach, weakens LSU... this is a FACT like it or not.
and yes, some commentators fall in those categories as well.
start paying attention at the Chicago, CA and fans from other places/schools posting here in a negative way.
so many snowflakes that can not accept reality ..
Coach O is our coach for now, stop the tearing down of the LSU coach....how/why it happened is irrelevant now
one would think he went 7-6 and not 9-4 in the first year
The source of the "unusually" hostile rhetoric.
These people would prefer to take LSU down just so they are proven correct.
I have been around LSU for a long time ... most of you were not even alive and I have disliked quite a few coaches, but as an LSU fan, I have never, would never, openly demonstrate such constant hatred for any LSU coach. Weakening an LSU coach, weakens LSU... this is a FACT like it or not.
and yes, some commentators fall in those categories as well.
start paying attention at the Chicago, CA and fans from other places/schools posting here in a negative way.
so many snowflakes that can not accept reality ..
Coach O is our coach for now, stop the tearing down of the LSU coach....how/why it happened is irrelevant now
one would think he went 7-6 and not 9-4 in the first year
This post was edited on 1/3/18 at 11:52 am
Posted on 1/3/18 at 12:16 pm to rbdallas
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These people would prefer to take LSU down just so they are proven correct.
I have been around LSU for a long time ... most of you were not even alive and I have disliked quite a few coaches, but as an LSU fan, I have never, would never, openly demonstrate such constant hatred for any LSU coach. Weakening an LSU coach, weakens LSU... this is a FACT like it or not.
and yes, some commentators fall in those categories as well.
Who do you think these scoundrels are? Am I one? Much like your claim of having been around a long time, would me posting me bona fides convince you I'm not some plant here to disrupt things?
Could there be some? Sure. Could there be paid plants or friends of Orgeron here to spin? Sure.
FWIW, as much as I love being right I love LSU football more. My opinions about what has happened, what is happening, and what will ultimately happen have NOTHING to do with what I WANT to happen. They are just opinions based off of many years of watching this stuff. I continue to talk about this stuff because I find it important, not so that I can come back a year or two from now and say, "Well...look what I posted! Guess I was right, huh?" Because you know what? There would be no credit to accept, because almost no one would suddenly remember being on the opposite side, and honestly I just don't give enough of a frick about anonymous posters on the internet to be right AT THE EXPENSE of LSU Football.
Posted on 1/3/18 at 12:18 pm to rbdallas
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Coach O is our coach for now, stop the tearing down of the LSU coach....how/why it happened is irrelevant now
I'll stop tearing him down when he stops tearing down the program.
Posted on 1/3/18 at 12:40 pm to frankenfish
I liked Aranda and Virginia Tech's Justin Fuente.
Posted on 1/3/18 at 1:03 pm to frankenfish
I totally agree. I was okay with O after Jimbo and Herman were off the list cause at least he could recruit. LSU wasn't going to hire Fleck. Fedora would have been a disaster. Gundy is not leaving Okie State. Mullen wouldn't have worked out here cause we don't have a qb.
The issue is if LSU wanted Herman, they should have fought with Texas over him. Seems to me the safe play would have been to give Jimbo what he wanted and just hire him. Not sure if Aranda would have stayed but apparently with all of the A&M talk I am guessing he may have stayed.
The issue is if LSU wanted Herman, they should have fought with Texas over him. Seems to me the safe play would have been to give Jimbo what he wanted and just hire him. Not sure if Aranda would have stayed but apparently with all of the A&M talk I am guessing he may have stayed.
Posted on 1/3/18 at 4:43 pm to Weaver
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Mullen wouldn't have worked out here cause we don't have a qb
Didn't he flip a 4 star QB recruit from OSU as soon as he got to UF? I don't think this would have been an issue for Mullen at all.
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