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re: If you agree that Coach O was not the right hire at the time...
Posted on 1/2/18 at 1:11 pm to frankenfish
Posted on 1/2/18 at 1:11 pm to frankenfish
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Who do you think LSU should have hired instead, after Herman and Fisher said no?
The real question is not who should have been next. The real question was did we try hard enough to get the two guys you are saying said "no". Did they actually say "no", or did we say "no" when they tried to negotiate?
Alleva allowed emotion and arrogance play a part in the coaching search, which there is no place for that in business, or any place that other people rely on you doing your job so they can feed their families.
Obviously Jimbo didn't say "no", because he had a price tag and is now coaching elsewhere.....we said no
I don't believe that Herman said "no", because he had a price tag and is now coaching elsewhere.....we said no
I get that LSU (read "Alleva") didn't want to just be used as leverage for someone to get more money, but:
1) We kind of owed it to Jimbo after the prior year and the accompanying leaks that no doubt made his job harder and strained his already strained relationships at FSU.
2) From all accounts and rumors, Herman wanted to hear what his supposed "dream job" had to offer, and LSU said "no" take it or leave it we have our coach.
Alleva and the BoD completely botched not only the firing and hiring of the HC, but also the good faith we had built up with other coaches. It wasn't on the same scale as the Tennessee disaster this year, but prior to that unfolding, our handling of the HC position at LSU the previous two years was quite an embarrassment and poorly handled.
To answer your question, there are a number of coaches out there that you make them say "no", no matter how unrealistic they may seem, prior to falling back on a d-line coach that no one else had shown interest in as an HC since his first and only time working in that capacity.
Remember that it isn't always about the paycheck, you can often provide other benefits. Jim Harbaugh gets a multi-million dollar whole life insurance policy provided with money added every year. That is part of his "salary". Sometimes you have to get creative to get the right guy.
Maybe Jimbo would have come for less that the $75mm/10 year guaranteed contract, if we offered him living, car service, unlimited jet usage, private healthcare for his son, full input on upgraded facilities, a tenure trigger in the performance of his job as a form of retirement benefit,....Who knows, did we even make that attempt? Or did LSU (read "Alleva") just say, "nope that is too much money...we have other options...you need us more than we need you..."
Posted on 1/2/18 at 1:11 pm to rbdallas
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LSU was being played just like Miles played LSU a few years back.
that doesnt mean alleva should just close up shop and hire the most unqualified hire in big 6 history.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 1:12 pm to boweswi05
Agree. Kiffin would kill it here with our talent and wouldn’t be afraid to tell the good ole boys that have no business meddling in LSU football to kick rocks
Posted on 1/2/18 at 1:12 pm to frankenfish
Any one of those would have been better.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 1:12 pm to frankenfish
Mullen or Gundy in a heartbeat.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 1:13 pm to frankenfish
The answer was Herman. They had somewhat of an agreement, he just wanted to hear UT. Alleva should have been sitting on his door step when he got home from Austin with a blank check.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 1:13 pm to frankenfish
Mullen + Aranda = championship
Posted on 1/2/18 at 1:14 pm to frankenfish
I would have taken anyone that wasn't a career position coach and failed miserably at his only shot as a head coach. I mean absolutely anybody else but O.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 1:14 pm to lsuhunt555
Herman wanted Texas. Don’t lie to yourself
Posted on 1/2/18 at 1:14 pm to TigerWerm
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Mullen + Aranda = championship
Can you imagine Kiffin offense Aranda defense.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 1:16 pm to R11
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I'm trying to figure out exactly what the guy did that leads these idiots to think he's not capeable.
lets see....
where to
1.the last time anyone allowed him to make long term decisions at a it culminated into the worst tenure ever at a program full of shite tenures
2. he lost 4 games while playing the worst schedule lsu has faced in over 2 decades
3. 6 games into his coaching tenure he already had 2 historic losses
4. his hand picked OC turns out to not be a good fit which basically shits all over his selling point of hiring the best coordinator
shall i continue? because i can.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 1:17 pm to SulphursFinest
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Herman wanted Texas. Don’t lie to yourself
he has stated before he has dreamed about coaching at Texas so you are correct
But Alleva doesn't have the balls to try to outbid or compete for another coach.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 1:18 pm to frankenfish
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With the benefit of hindsight I'm thinking maybe Mullen, if he could keep Aranda, might have been better.
I would have been okay with that. It was insanity to fire Les to hire O, period.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 1:18 pm to SulphursFinest
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Herman wanted Texas. Don’t lie to yourself
Probably, but there was zero reason to not see it through to the end. Alleva threw a hissy fit instead and plunged LSU into irrelevance with his hire of Orgeron.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 1:18 pm to Lester Earl
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8% of the fan base trashed the thought of Mullen becoming our next head coach last year.
we have the most entitled and football ignorant fanbase on the planet though.
This post was edited on 1/2/18 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 1/2/18 at 1:19 pm to Tigerbait357
That’s why firing Orgeron will not matter until Alleva is gone.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 1:20 pm to lsuhunt555
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The answer was Herman. They had somewhat of an agreement, he just wanted to hear UT. Alleva should have been sitting on his door step when he got home from Austin with a blank check.
there are a lot of bullshite myths that come out of the rant but IMO one of the true ones was that Herman wanted Texas the entire time
Posted on 1/2/18 at 1:22 pm to frankenfish
Anyone saying Scott Frost didn't know where he was even coaching last season.
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