re: If you agree that Coach O was not the right hire at the time...

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Literally anyone else

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Mind blowing that this dumbfrick of a thread is even started.

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Mullen was my fallback guy after Herman and fisher. He is clearly better than Orgeron.

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Would have been interesting to see if Mullen would have jumped ship when FL came calling this year.

Orgeron's problem isn't his management skills, it's not his ability to motivate, his main 2 problems are, he micromanages and he doesn't understand the phrase, one team one heartbeat. You can't have total focus and unity on a team when the head coach is trying to get rid of one of the coaches. It's not, one team (except for Matt Canada) one heartbeat. Every single player on that team heard the same shite we heard, anyone who thinks that crap has no affect on 18, 19, and 20 year old kids, obviously doesn't understand the dynamics of, one team one heartbeat. Orgeron created a distraction that unraveled the unity of the team. I guarantee some players were even taking sides in this matter, just like players chose sides with Miles firing, some ultimately left the program over that situation. That team yesterday wasn't the same team that played balls-to-the -wall in other games, that team was dismantled, divided, had no focus. Miles did the same thing to the 2011 team before playing in the NC game. If Orgeron intends to hire a more proven and successful OC, then he should have waited until after the bowl game before he opened his mouth about it. I've supported O in most, if not all, my post on this site, but what he did leading up to that game yesterday reminds me of the type crap he did at Ole Miss, the same type crap he did in the Troy game. I just don't believe he has the discipline to leave coaches alone and let them do their job. Maybe it's his ego, IDK, but after this debacle I'm convinced he can't properly manage any college football program. One team, one heartbeat, lmao, out of O's mouth, it's a joke now.

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286 was his win % at ole miss.
.125 was his sec win % at ole miss

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Even at Ole Piss
Is that is embarrassing.

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Even at Ole Piss 
Is that is embarrassing.

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when i say" he has the worst tenure ever at a program full of shite tenures" im being factual.of any ole miss coach to have coached 10 games, he has the worst in conf win% and worst overall win % of any HC.
and thats who Alleva PICKED to gamble LSU's place in CFB.

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But the facts on the ground at-the-time were that the consensus best hires would have been Fisher or Herman and no clear cut consensus #3

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Why? Why, at a Top 10 program that had nearly fired their coach at the end of 2015 and eventually DID fire their coach 4 games into 2016 were there only TWO NAMES on a board somewhere? Not guys that they had contacted, but literally a WISH LIST of names from which they could then start inquiring?

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Into that picture emerged Coach O who promised three things:

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Honestly...who cares what he'd have said, because there is no earthly reason he should have been able to poke his noggin into that slot. LSU was not in a position to HAVE TO hire their DL coach to replace a guy that had won a National Title who himself had replaced a guy that had won a National Title. For all the whining about how far Miles had supposedly tanked the program, it's simply NOT TRUE that LSU was in that kind of dire straights where Orgeron was our best possible #3. I can't even think of a world where he'd have been a Top 50 candidate for this job had we bothered to really ask anyone past our top two choices.

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-Keep Aranda on staff
-Bring Kiffin (I heard a report, I can't recall where, that Kiffin spoke to Alleva and said he was coming) and
-Take less salary to bring in these coordinators.

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Again...what difference would it make? The guy making these promises was a guy whose only head coaching experience was running Ole Miss's bus into the ditch? Who had not bothered to go to a smaller school to rehabilitate his image and PROVE he could maintain a program or, better yet, build his own? A man whose coaching record was sub .500 EVEN IF you counted 2 mediocre interim stints?

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So in that light I can understand Alleva doing what he did

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See above as to why those of us who have been on this since day one can not.

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But the fact that it devolved to that (and the reasons in the link above) are why Alleva needs to go, even though I can see the logic in his decision.

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Oh...he needs to go, but there was nothing logical about what he did. What he did was clearly an emotional move.

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So for those who say O should have never been hired I'm asking what would have rationally been a better decision.

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Asked and answered in that long arse post I first made, which I'm not sure you addressed. go from top to bottom and start asking...and if at some point you get told no 113 times and FINALLY get to Orgeron, then we accept that our program has fallen that far and we offer him.

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f you agree that Coach O was not the right hire at the time...

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Are you for real? How about ANY successful HC in college football or ANY highly respected, successful OC or DC.

Who, in their right mind, turns a program like LSU over to DL coach with a failed HC resume?

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Literally anyone else

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how intelligent.

what are you, 12 years old?

Mullen
Gundy
Fedore
Fleck
Frank wilson
Mason
Leach
Rodriguez’
Whittingham
Harsin

And last year I think I listed 15-20 others with better records than O, not including Shaw, Peterson, Saban, Harbaugh, and Meyer, none of whom will leave their jobs for another college job.