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re: I was completely floored

Posted on 12/1/24 at 11:54 am to
Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
12628 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 11:54 am to
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But that doesn’t mean he isn’t athletic. He just makes bad decisions.


I’m not trying to knock Nuss. But look at Burrow’s run down the stretch against Georgia in 2018. Or the dagger he stuck in the Tide’s heart in Tuscaloosa. Or the big run in the NC game vs Clemson. No way Nuss makes those runs.
Posted by TigerDCC11
Member since May 2007
2422 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 11:55 am to
I hope Trey Holly returns. We really missed him this year.

The RB's won't be a problem next year, it is the OL, I'm worried about, but things are really looking a lot better than even two weeks ago with that unit.
Posted by kajunman
Member since Dec 2015
8217 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 11:56 am to
Different offense when Burrow was in his first year. They put him under center. Things got better with Burrow in shotgun.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
66105 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 11:56 am to
Correct, he’s not nearly as athletic as Burrow. He might be close in straight line speed but agility, instincts and running vision Burrow is top notch and Nuss is below average.
Posted by TN Tygah
Member since Nov 2023
7837 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 11:59 am to
He doesn’t listen to whoever is coaching him. It does not take a non-retard to see what he’s doing wrong. It’s been a problem all season and I think he’s a QB’s son and wants to make a big play.

We should have 6 losses because of his scrub arse
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
13123 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 12:01 pm to
He's a good QB, no doubt, but you have to understand what Burrow's offensive playcalling was his first year AND he came to the team in the Summer. Daniels came in the Summer prior to that season as well.

Nuss has been in the LSU system for 3 years now. It's not like he had to learn a new system and get comfortable with the players in like 2 months as was the case for Burrow and Daniels.

He still did great, but let's compare him as a RS JR to say Max Johnson as a true Sophmore (first full season starting) on a bad LSU team:

Nuss: 63.7%, 3735 yds, 26 TDs, 11 INTs, 16 sacks

Johnson: 60.1%, 2815 yds, 27 TDs, 6 INTs, 33 sacks

So he had more yards, sure, but that is because Nuss took 490 pass attempts to Max's 373 pass attemps.

In the roughly the same number of pass attempts (if you count Max's first 4 starts in 2000):

Nuss: 64% (490 PA), 3735 yds, 26 TDs, 11 INTs, 16 sacks

Max: 60% (499 PA), 3712 yds, 34 TDs, 7 INTs, 40 sacks

It's not that impressive when you think about the fact that Max had a mediocre OL, while Nuss supposedly has two first round OT's on his line and a strong pass blocking line.
Posted by tarzana
TX Hwy 6-- the Brazos River Valley
Member since Sep 2015
30601 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 12:04 pm to
Make it through 12 games! Nuss went 22/31 for 277 yds and 3 TDs against a good Oklahoma D.
Posted by beauchristopher
Member since Jan 2008
72173 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 12:04 pm to
I didn't see them, but I believe Burrow had a running game.

Seems like Nuss has to pass a lot more.
Posted by J2thaROC
Member since May 2018
14849 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 12:45 pm to
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He’s gotta figure out when to take off and scramble for first downs, something burrow and Daniels did EXTREMELY well



Agree 100% and surprisingly he did just that a few times last night. I don’t think people understood just how much easier it is to gameplan around and defend against a team when you are pretty sure the QB will NEVER take off and run the ball. When you see it’s going to be a pass play, you can totally rule out defending against any form or a run. That makes it much harder on receivers and your offensive line because they now have to protect for a much longer period of time. Also makes it harder for your RB because they KNOW exactly who is going to be running the ball. It takes away one running option from an RPO system.
This post was edited on 12/1/24 at 12:47 pm
Posted by prplhze2000
Parts Unknown
Member since Jan 2007
56842 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 12:55 pm to
No kidding. And he had less to work with
Posted by Zephyrius
Wharton, La.
Member since Dec 2004
9325 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 1:12 pm to
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He’s every bit as athletic as Burrow.

Not a knock on Nuss but Burrow was a tough son of a bitch. Burrow could go through 2 defenders to get the extra 3 yards for a first down.
Posted by Lsutigerturner
Member since Dec 2016
7148 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 1:19 pm to
I actually was asking my buds and family what happened ton Green bc pimpton took all his reps least game.

Durham, hilton Anderson pimpton green and two stud we transfers will make the offense first team hard to match up with


Is green hurt?
Posted by Pikes Peak Tiger
Colorado Springs
Member since Jun 2023
9395 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 1:21 pm to
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Not a knock on Nuss but Burrow was a tough son of a bitch


I’ve been as critical about Nuss as anyone. But toughness isn’t part of his problem.

He proved that last night.

It’s more his unwillingness to use his athletic abilities to run when the opportunities are present.
Posted by GetmorewithLes
UK Basketball Fan
Member since Jan 2011
22168 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 1:21 pm to
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He really needs a running game and two stud receivers. That will be the difference


There was a lot of talk last night about the effect of those two bombs to Hilton on the rest of the offense because after that the safeties could not sit on the intermediate routes and stuff the run game. They also said BK has talked about this in various media appearences and that is what was missing from this offense.

Hester said that Lacy, Daniels, Anderson, and Thomas were all good receivers but Hilton is the only one we have that can take the top off the defense like he did last night. His ypc career avg is now up to 20.2 from 18.9 going into the season.
Posted by Jaydenbetter
Member since Nov 2024
331 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 1:23 pm to
Glad someone said it . Do you realize the offense we ran those years lmaooo nuss is running the damn lsu air raid
Posted by BK785
Member since Feb 2013
3705 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 1:27 pm to
Misleading stats though. Nuss has been at LSU for 3 years already and started a bowl game. Nuss was already in the building while Burrow and Daniels were not...
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
65021 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 1:38 pm to
His stats are a little misleading because he had 500 pass attempts. Jayden and Joe had 100 less pass attempts, including the bowl stats.

That being said, he played great considering he didn't have any run game at all for games at a time.
Posted by 13233
Hattiesburg, MS
Member since Aug 2016
81 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 1:45 pm to
Burrow had less pass attempts in 2018 than Nuss in 2024. LSU also had more run plays in 2018. I tend to think the stats for both QBs would about the same if they were put in each other’s shoes. Burrow in that first year showed the ability early on to read the defense and check to better plays (a long run against Miami comes to mind). Nuss didn’t do this as well this year. I think he has gotten better though and will only improve. It also seemed to me (and what do I know), that Nuss frequently made up his mind ahead of time on where to go with the ball, tried to do too much sometimes, and could just be too careless with the ball. The check downs, the scrambles, a semblance of an actual running game and a receiver taking the top off last night showed us what Nuss could be. It was only a matter of time. This is what happens with good coaching and talented, tough players who are willing to be coached (I think we have the former and a lot of the latter). A person learns more from adversity and failure than they do from easy success. Nuss has faced his share of both recently and is growing up right in front of our eyes. It’s awesome to see and part of what makes college football so great. Whether he stays or goes, I am proud of him.
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
28926 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 1:58 pm to
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You guys are fools.

Nuss is not better than Burrow as a first year starter.

1. We run a completely different offense now than 2018

2. Burrow protected the ball and only threw 4 interceptions. Don’t recall but say he lost 2 fumbles as well.
That means Nuss has turned the ball over at least twice as many times.

Stop making Nuss into something he is not.

He played really well last night. Will he be better next year if he returns. Let’s hope so.
What kills me is guys being floored that a redshirt junior who has been in the same system and coached by the same QB coach for the past 3 years wouldn't do better as a passer as two guys getting into a completely different system and learning how to do stuff in a couple months before the season starts along with trying to win a competition.

Im one of the select few that will tell it like it is from all 3 QBs and not sugar coat it.

Burrow was bad to below average for 75% of his first year. Sure he didn't turn over the ball much, but he also didn't do much. Against the top 5 derenses he played, he had all 5 ints and i think 1-2 TDs. The last 4 games of the year he caught on fire, however they were also 4 of the worst defenses we played that year.

Daniels had an even worse OL than Nuss (all 3 had pretty bad to mediocre OLs), yet he finished with 3800 total yards and 29 total TDs from scrimmage in 11.5 games. Unlike Nuss, Daniels was taken out of games half way when we were blowing teams out. He missed way mors stats. He didn't play a full half vs Southern nor Purdue and only played 1 half vs UGA because of injury (threw for 200 yards and 1 TD in a half despite playing on one foot). Daniels was literally the only reason we had a chance to beat FSU (Kelly not going for 2 at the end still baffles me). Now it wasn't always rainbows. The Auburn.game was terrible, the TAMU game was terrible, the Arkansas game was terrible, but I'd side with Kelly on it being partly because of him having the flu. I still consider that the best 1st year start of a QB for LSU in forever, if not ever. He made the rushing unit good because of his running ability aiding it. That OL was turrible, but we had 4 guys average 5 yards a carry or more, with 5 runners scoring at least 5 TDs and 3 scoring at least 8 TDs.

Nuss was elite vs bad teams and was a turnover machine vs any good teams. That was pretty much it. He wasn't a bad QB, but when he had to get up for big games he folded like a cheap suit. He came back and beat Ole Miss in the end, I'll give him props, but he was the reason why he had to come back. Defense held them in check for like 80% of the game, but when you keep turning the ball over, that's the problem you get. I'm not going to hate on the kid because he was more good than bad. I'll take all the other problems he had easily as long as he gets those damn turnovers in control. LSU hasn't had a turnover prone QB full year starter since Anthony Jennings. That's the one thing stopping him from being a top 10 NFL draft pick. If Chris Hilton can stay healthy for just one year (2025), we could lead the country in scoring next year and im not joking. I expect them to put heavy emphasis on the run game and if Nuss just turns down the turnovers, we are a title contender.
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
13123 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 2:09 pm to
Nuss is a volume passer. He had 490 pass attempts in 12 games.

Max Johnson in his first 16 starts (a full extra third of a season compared to Nuss) had 499.

Kid is good, but this is stupid to compare him to either Daniels or Burrow.
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