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How would we have viewed JD's season last year if we never saw Joe Burrow in 2019?
Posted on 7/17/23 at 6:22 pm
Posted on 7/17/23 at 6:22 pm
Long time lurker, first time poster. I was just thinking about this since the CWS ended & I rewatched a couple football games from last season. I do think we would still have questioned his reluctance to trust his receivers at times & his bailing on the pocket, but not nearly at the level if we hadn't seen the artistry of Burrow's pocket management. He knew when to step up, slide, escape, or eat it. And let’s face it, he threw more 50/50 balls up down the field & let our 1st round draft pick WRs go get it at a rate never before seen in college football. It will be hard for us to forget what we saw & naturally compare every LSU qb to that standard going forward.
But when you compare what JD did last year from a statistical perspective, I do think if 2019 wouldn’t have happened, we would have been thrilled.
Single Season passing yds:
1. JB - 5,671
2. Rohan - 3,347
3. JaMarcus - 3,129
4. Mett - 3,082
5. Jayden - 2,913
If that #1 stat isn’t there, JD was 4th best and roughly 400 yds from the previous best ever.
Single season total offense:
1. JB - 6,039
2. JD - 3,798
3. Rohan - 3,351
4. JB (2018) - 3,293
If that #1 isn’t there, that’s 450 more than we would have ever seen.
By the way, the 10th most TDs in a season by our amazing run of RBs over the years is 14, so JD was just under those at 11 for last year also.
Here are some of the best QB’s we’ve seen for a season (without JB in 2019):
Name- Eff - comp/att/int - pct - yds - td - lg - avg
JD 2022 - 144.5 266-388-3 68.6 2,913 17 54 208.1
JB 2018 - 133.2 219-379-5 57.8 2,894 16 71 222.6
Mett 2013 - 171.4 192-296-8 64.9 3,082 22 63 256.8
Flynn 2007 - 125.8 202-359-11 56.3 2,407 21 71 200.6
JaMarcus 2006 - 167 232-342-8 67.8 3,129 28 58 240.7
Mauck 2003 - 148.2 229-358-14 64.0 2,825 28 64 201.8
Rohan 2001 - 146.5 217-367-10 59.1 3,347 18 67 278.9
Hudson 1989 143.4 183-317-12 57.7 2,655 22 61 241.4
So, although I complained as much as anyone last year about Daniels, I do think if I had never seen Burrow in 2019, I wouldn’t have been quite as critical. With any kind of growth/improvement from him this year, he is plenty good enough to make us competitive in every game. My bold prediction is that if we don’t win it all, it will not be because of him.
***Misc observations while looking all of this up:
1. My goodness we had some horrible passing statistics most years! JB 2019 was a gift for what we had to watch most years!
2. It is a shame we never got to see what Perrilloux could do. His line was really good for just part-time duty in 2007
175.6 51-75-2 68.0 694 8 62 57.8 - wow! Oh, what could have been!!!
3. Jamie Howard was an interception machine!
But when you compare what JD did last year from a statistical perspective, I do think if 2019 wouldn’t have happened, we would have been thrilled.
Single Season passing yds:
1. JB - 5,671
2. Rohan - 3,347
3. JaMarcus - 3,129
4. Mett - 3,082
5. Jayden - 2,913
If that #1 stat isn’t there, JD was 4th best and roughly 400 yds from the previous best ever.
Single season total offense:
1. JB - 6,039
2. JD - 3,798
3. Rohan - 3,351
4. JB (2018) - 3,293
If that #1 isn’t there, that’s 450 more than we would have ever seen.
By the way, the 10th most TDs in a season by our amazing run of RBs over the years is 14, so JD was just under those at 11 for last year also.
Here are some of the best QB’s we’ve seen for a season (without JB in 2019):
Name- Eff - comp/att/int - pct - yds - td - lg - avg
JD 2022 - 144.5 266-388-3 68.6 2,913 17 54 208.1
JB 2018 - 133.2 219-379-5 57.8 2,894 16 71 222.6
Mett 2013 - 171.4 192-296-8 64.9 3,082 22 63 256.8
Flynn 2007 - 125.8 202-359-11 56.3 2,407 21 71 200.6
JaMarcus 2006 - 167 232-342-8 67.8 3,129 28 58 240.7
Mauck 2003 - 148.2 229-358-14 64.0 2,825 28 64 201.8
Rohan 2001 - 146.5 217-367-10 59.1 3,347 18 67 278.9
Hudson 1989 143.4 183-317-12 57.7 2,655 22 61 241.4
So, although I complained as much as anyone last year about Daniels, I do think if I had never seen Burrow in 2019, I wouldn’t have been quite as critical. With any kind of growth/improvement from him this year, he is plenty good enough to make us competitive in every game. My bold prediction is that if we don’t win it all, it will not be because of him.
***Misc observations while looking all of this up:
1. My goodness we had some horrible passing statistics most years! JB 2019 was a gift for what we had to watch most years!
2. It is a shame we never got to see what Perrilloux could do. His line was really good for just part-time duty in 2007
175.6 51-75-2 68.0 694 8 62 57.8 - wow! Oh, what could have been!!!
3. Jamie Howard was an interception machine!
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Posted on 7/17/23 at 6:38 pm to PerkinsVillageVandy
quote:
if we never saw Joe Burrow in 2019?
How can you even post this?
and put so much time and thought into it...
aint nobody reading all that
Posted on 7/17/23 at 6:41 pm to LSUTIGERTAILG8ER
Why do you have to be such a prick?
Not everyone here has the attention span of a child.
quote:
aint nobody reading all that
Not everyone here has the attention span of a child.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 6:43 pm to PerkinsVillageVandy
Too many people view Burrow as the standard now. He isn't. He was a once in a lifetime QB. JD is a really really good QB for LSU.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 6:43 pm to PerkinsVillageVandy
It definitely changes things, but it’s not just comparing him to Burrow. Offenses have changed drastically over the last decade and a great QB now isn’t the same as what a great QB was 15 years ago. He’s going to be compared to the elite quarterbacks that are playing today, not Rohan or JaMarcus. It’s nothing against Jayden, it’s just how it is and it’s how it’ll be for quarterbacks going forward. Hell, Myles was throwing for 300+ yards per game and people still hated him.
This post was edited on 7/17/23 at 6:45 pm
Posted on 7/17/23 at 6:49 pm to LSBoosie
That is a good point. I was just thinking about it from the LSU fan perspective rather than how he compared to other QBs in the game now.
But I think you bring up another good point about Myles. He was throwing for 300/400 yds, but we were losing. Even when JD wasn't throwing for tons of yards, he was able to make plays to keep us in games & win most of them.
But I think you bring up another good point about Myles. He was throwing for 300/400 yds, but we were losing. Even when JD wasn't throwing for tons of yards, he was able to make plays to keep us in games & win most of them.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 6:50 pm to Geauxtigersgeaux12
quote:
Too many people view Burrow as the standard now. He isn't. He was a once in a lifetime QB. JD is a really really good QB for LSU.
bingo. /thread
Posted on 7/17/23 at 6:57 pm to PerkinsVillageVandy
You can't use statistics from the past, to compare two QBs. The offense changes as does the rules.
Burrow was faking the defense offsides in his first game.
Burrow was faking the defense offsides in his first game.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 6:59 pm to PerkinsVillageVandy
You just have to take him for what he is. He’s a really good college quarterback that has his flaws, as do 99% of college quarterbacks. Is he good enough to win a championship? I think so, but he’s going to need some help.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 7:01 pm to PerkinsVillageVandy
He was a solid QB last year. Probably had too much responsibility placed on his shoulders, 550+ plays is too much. Had some very high highs and low lows. Florida, OM and Bama were highlights, finishing 118th in ypa, low in ypc and took too many sacks were the lows. A lot of people want him to be better at reading coverage but really if he’s just more consistent in what he already does well he’ll help the team a lot.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 7:02 pm to PerkinsVillageVandy
quote:
Even when JD wasn't throwing for tons of yards, he was able to make plays to keep us in games & win most of them.
Neither Miles nor Daniels play defense. It was a lack of defense that ruined the Miles led team.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 7:02 pm to Klark Kent
As good as Burrow was and he is a generational type QB but he did have the advantage to a new offense from LSU finally opening it up and had great talent everywhere….not just the receivers but CEH fit that offense perfectly plus if I remember correctly I think 3 of the 5 lineman went on to start year one in the NFL. Not to discount what Burrow did cause he was phenomenal but Daniels in 2022 had a different deck he was handed. Not to say Daniels in year 2 with the 2019 would have been anywhere near Burrow numbers but they would be increased for sure even over what he does this year
Posted on 7/17/23 at 7:04 pm to PerkinsVillageVandy
Stats don’t mean everything. The eyeball test means a great deal more than any statistic. Hell Bert Jones was a 1st team consensus All American in the early 1970s. They played less games and it was a totally different game then.
However when Bill Belicheat was asked who was the most talented QB he’d ever seen, he said it was when he was an assistant coach and had to go up against Bert Jones. There’s no way your 2,3,4 and 5 were better QBs than Jones. Again, stats aren’t everything.
However when Bill Belicheat was asked who was the most talented QB he’d ever seen, he said it was when he was an assistant coach and had to go up against Bert Jones. There’s no way your 2,3,4 and 5 were better QBs than Jones. Again, stats aren’t everything.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 7:05 pm to Gus007
Right, it’s unfair to compare 550 plays for JD to 350 plays for JRuss. Russell had a much better season but volume and system skews the numbers when comparing those seasons.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 7:10 pm to PerkinsVillageVandy
who knows, but the vast majority of LSU fans were very pleased with his performance. Looking forward to JD getting rid of the ball sooner this year on some plays.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 7:13 pm to Madking
Play calling and pass attempts were definitely different than some others on the list. Despite all of that, JD is a middle of the SEC passer and a good runner. You will see this year, that it once again will not carry the team to a championship, but it can still be a successful season. The defense, O-line, and rushing attack would have to be great to win SEC/ National Championship with him at QB.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 7:20 pm to Gus007
Myles wasn't converting on 3rd downs, go look it up. That was his problem & that contributed to the defense being on the field a lot!
Posted on 7/17/23 at 7:31 pm to PerkinsVillageVandy
It’s a good point
Bc the majority of the people trashing Daniels
Also didn’t have the requisite football IQ to know that Burrow was also a good QB in 2018
Now everyone acts like they are a QB expert, just bc we had 1 guy have the best season in college football history.
And unfortunately those people aren’t intelligent enough to realize that 2019 Burrow was a 1 off that will never be merely approached, let alone matched by anyone else in College Football History, let alone another LSU QB.
Bc the majority of the people trashing Daniels
Also didn’t have the requisite football IQ to know that Burrow was also a good QB in 2018
Now everyone acts like they are a QB expert, just bc we had 1 guy have the best season in college football history.
And unfortunately those people aren’t intelligent enough to realize that 2019 Burrow was a 1 off that will never be merely approached, let alone matched by anyone else in College Football History, let alone another LSU QB.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 7:39 pm to PerkinsVillageVandy
Joey B set the bar for every LSU QB that will come after him. I know you are not really comparing their seasons stats against each other, but more of the reaction of the fans that were critical or supportive of the season JD had.
I'm hoping this year he pushes some of the records JB set his last year at LSU. If JD and the team can make the same improvement as the 2018 team did to 2019, it's going to be a hell of a season.
I'm hoping this year he pushes some of the records JB set his last year at LSU. If JD and the team can make the same improvement as the 2018 team did to 2019, it's going to be a hell of a season.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 7:41 pm to PerkinsVillageVandy
Same as I do not. He is overly cautious to be successful as a passer. He has to be wiling to throw picks, especially deep. He is a two-checks-and-run QB.
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