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How do players establish their NIL or profit sharing value?
Posted on 4/15/25 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 4/15/25 at 12:53 pm
Outside of the top prospects, the school has the overwhelming advantage in the negotiations. Once the scholarship agreement is signed it looks like shite on a player if they back out because they are undervalued…when they entered the agreement in good faith. Their only leverage EVER is to leave.
Crazy that some kids get paid 6 figures while the majority get the tires kicked and a percentage of their real value because they want to be a part of the team.
Everyone says NIL is killing player-fan connection, maybe the fan just needs to focus on the other 85% of the players.
Crazy that some kids get paid 6 figures while the majority get the tires kicked and a percentage of their real value because they want to be a part of the team.
Everyone says NIL is killing player-fan connection, maybe the fan just needs to focus on the other 85% of the players.
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Posted on 4/15/25 at 12:55 pm to Gaston
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maybe the fan just needs to focus on the other 85% of the players.
So now it's our job? frick that.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 12:57 pm to Gaston
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How do players establish their NIL or profit sharing value?
They don't. The free market does. What someone is willing to pay you for your NIL establishes the market value.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 12:58 pm to terd ferguson
Needs to be all public information. You decide if player X is worth ‘it’ or not. Maybe being a fan of the ones giving it all to your school without getting paid millions is a better option to enjoy the sport.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 1:01 pm to sidewalkside
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What someone is willing to pay you for your NIL establishes the market value.
Behind closed doors where no one knows the value of anyone’s contract is not free market.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 1:03 pm to terd ferguson
exactly...im not giving away my money that i work for so that a bunch of players I have never met can live better than me and make more than me
im not even going to give $10 per month. Would rather shut it down.
i dont mind them having a stipend, free R&B, scholarship, training etc but im draw the line at giving away my money so they can make millions.
if the school wants to pay them fine. and yea im fine with being 6-6 if others feel the same way.
im not even going to give $10 per month. Would rather shut it down.
i dont mind them having a stipend, free R&B, scholarship, training etc but im draw the line at giving away my money so they can make millions.
if the school wants to pay them fine. and yea im fine with being 6-6 if others feel the same way.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 1:10 pm to Gaston
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Once the scholarship agreement is signed it looks like shite on a player if they back out because they are undervalued…
If another program is willing to pay more than their current school, then they ARE undervalued. They don't really care what it looks like to you, the fan, if they "back out" of the scholarship agreement because the other program is happy to take them.
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Their only leverage EVER is to leave.
That can be pretty strong leverage. If you are a solid, though maybe not top player on a team with little depth at a certain position, the threat to leave is pretty strong leverage.
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Crazy that some kids get paid 6 figures while the majority get the tires kicked and a percentage of their real value because they want to be a part of the team.
Is it really "crazy"? Or just the market at play. In most jobs, including sports, a few of the most talented people get paid a lot while others who just want a job are paid significantly less.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 1:14 pm to Alt26
It’s all motivation I guess. Bust your arse and increase your value to them…never ever forget what they did when they had the leverage.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 1:24 pm to Gaston
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Behind closed doors where no one knows the value of anyone’s contract is not free market.
Huh? Is having all of your information out in the public a requirement of free market?
Posted on 4/15/25 at 1:31 pm to LSBoosie
You simply can’t shop yourself without looking like an a-hole or worse…see Nico. How is that free market?
If one school offers you $175000 to switch your commitment that does not mean you’ll even get $300/mo from the school you stay with. You could have taken it…on the one hand, but the market doesn’t move on the offer.
If one school offers you $175000 to switch your commitment that does not mean you’ll even get $300/mo from the school you stay with. You could have taken it…on the one hand, but the market doesn’t move on the offer.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 1:44 pm to Gaston
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You simply can’t shop yourself without looking like an a-hole or worse…see Nico. How is that free market?
If one school offers you $175000 to switch your commitment that does not mean you’ll even get $300/mo from the school you stay with. You could have taken it…on the one hand, but the market doesn’t move on the offer.
What does this have to do with free market?
free market definition: an economic system in which prices are determined by unrestricted competition between privately owned businesses.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 1:47 pm to Gaston
Are we supposed to feel bad for the LSU athlete that gets top notch training facilities, custom meal plans, room and board, free tuition and tutoring all while getting a nice stipend now with the tv revenue sharing? At LSU, that in itself is a high dollar value likely around 30k to 50k without the revenue sharing. It’s an LSU board so I’m assuming LSU themed question.
The market dictates their value and if they wanna test the market they are free to do so just as you and me at any job. Higher earners get higher pay, same as normal workforce. Of said athlete out performs his pay, he’ll either get a raise (which likely happens) or he’ll enter portal and get more pay. A negotiation will likely also happen with staff before hitting the portal. If staff doesn’t think he’s worth it, they will let him walk and market, again, will dictate his worth, not the player.
The market dictates their value and if they wanna test the market they are free to do so just as you and me at any job. Higher earners get higher pay, same as normal workforce. Of said athlete out performs his pay, he’ll either get a raise (which likely happens) or he’ll enter portal and get more pay. A negotiation will likely also happen with staff before hitting the portal. If staff doesn’t think he’s worth it, they will let him walk and market, again, will dictate his worth, not the player.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 1:50 pm to Gaston
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the school has the overwhelming advantage in the negotiations.
My company has the overwhelming advantage over me too
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it looks like shite on a player if they back out because they are undervalued…when they entered the agreement in good faith. Their only leverage EVER is to leave.
Looks bad if I job hop too but my only leverage is also to leave
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Needs to be all public information.
Yea it'd be pretty helpful to me too if I knew all my coworkers salaries and the salaries of employees at competing companies but the real world doesn't work this way
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Posted on 4/15/25 at 1:52 pm to Gaston
If I’m an agent I am taking a risk but I can probably calculate their potential NFL contract, signing bonus, etc in the future and calculate my agent fees and do a discounted cash flow on that to see if they will be worth it.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 2:56 pm to Gaston
quote:nonsense.
Behind closed doors where no one knows the value of anyone’s contract is not free market.
Blind bidding on jobs happens all the time, everywhere. That's as free market as it gets.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 3:07 pm to atltiger6487
In fields where no one knows the value? Which fields would that be? I could make a decision between going to grad school for medical physics or EE based on…oh right, salaries are mostly established inside some normal distribution.
How much is a WR3 in the SEC for 1 year?
My point is that MOST SEC athletes are getting the tires kicked because they have no leverage…they take what the school offers and you have to know the school, in a $200 million program, has elite lawyers.
Everyone is bitching about the players…the schools are the ones who are benefiting from the quick rule changes. Players are just along for the, albeit very cool, ride.
How much is a WR3 in the SEC for 1 year?
My point is that MOST SEC athletes are getting the tires kicked because they have no leverage…they take what the school offers and you have to know the school, in a $200 million program, has elite lawyers.
Everyone is bitching about the players…the schools are the ones who are benefiting from the quick rule changes. Players are just along for the, albeit very cool, ride.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 5:03 pm to Reeaholic
You hit the nail squarely on the head, and it's why I've NEVER bought this woe is us, poor exploited players bullshite. Everything was just fine before NIL.
For years, the WORST scholarship player on a big school's roster received approximately $100k in room, board, tuition, elite training for a possible LUCRATIVE pro career, and just for good measure, the top players (ya know the ones that actually produce the most and DESERVE the extra compensation) got paid HANDSOMELY in under the table cash.
Also, if the "exploitation" got to be too much of a burden to bear, NOBODY IS HOLDING A GUN TO YOUR HEAD TO PLAY COLLEGE SPORTS. You can quit at any time and stop yourself from experiencing the horrible exploitation that you're enduring.
For years, the WORST scholarship player on a big school's roster received approximately $100k in room, board, tuition, elite training for a possible LUCRATIVE pro career, and just for good measure, the top players (ya know the ones that actually produce the most and DESERVE the extra compensation) got paid HANDSOMELY in under the table cash.
Also, if the "exploitation" got to be too much of a burden to bear, NOBODY IS HOLDING A GUN TO YOUR HEAD TO PLAY COLLEGE SPORTS. You can quit at any time and stop yourself from experiencing the horrible exploitation that you're enduring.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 7:31 pm to Gaston
Under the House settlement Deloitte will determine NIL true market value for all NCAA athletes. The definition of true market value is subject to interpretation. In real estate, true market value is whatever the buyer is willing to pay. In NIL, that opens a door for no limits or lawsuits which challenge imposed limits. Buckle up.
Rev sharing? My guess is coaches and ADs. May vary by school or possibly conferences will set procedures.
Rev sharing? My guess is coaches and ADs. May vary by school or possibly conferences will set procedures.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 7:38 pm to Gaston
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Everyone says NIL is killing player-fan connection, maybe the fan just needs to focus on the other 85% of the players.
There are starters at group of 5 schools transferring to other group of 5 schools getting NIL offers of > $50k. It’s much much bigger than just the top players.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 8:20 pm to LSUfan4444
$50k - 100k IS the other 85%. If you’re a starter in a big conference that seems par. That is not a helluva lot of money. Non starters get 1/10 of that. Makes for very few getting the money that pisses everyone off. People still are.
This post was edited on 4/15/25 at 8:42 pm
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