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re: How can anyone defend the conversations from the tapes?

Posted on 3/28/19 at 8:29 am to
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 3/28/19 at 8:29 am to
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Stop deflecting
Deflecting what?

My feeling is the suspension was/is completely pointless in terms of any benefit to the school. Sans that, my feeling is if the school reinstated Smart, they should have reinstated Wade. If Wade did what you are apparently certain he did, suspension will mitigate nothing in terms of NCAA action. Meanwhile, his suspension is being broadcast as an admission of guilt on part of the school. It sullied Wade in advance of determination of guilt. It has sullied the school. It was stupid.

However, as I've made clear, if Wade did what you are apparently certain he did, he should be dismissed. PERIOD!

In sorting this out, LSU has a major advantage. Unlike Self, Krzyzewski, RoyLesterEarlWilliams, Miller, Izzo, Altman, etc, WillWade is slated to testify on the topic under oath in Federal Court. That will tell the tale. You are asking me to speculate on what he will say. I have no basis to do that.

I do have basis to tell you the actions of FKing, Alleva and apparently EarringWilliams to this point were imbecilic.

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...I bet your wife
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pansy
Any other intelligent remarks, Teacher?
This post was edited on 3/28/19 at 8:35 am
Posted by tiger_nutz
Member since Feb 2017
764 posts
Posted on 3/28/19 at 8:32 am to
That sure is a lot of words to say "I am not 100% confident in my opinion, but I want to continue to act an arse to everyone who feels otherwise"
Posted by BayouBengal99
Crowley
Member since Oct 2007
9125 posts
Posted on 3/28/19 at 8:35 am to
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Will didn't come to the meeting because his lawyer know the administration has heard the tape and he basically had no excuse to give them period...


Dude you aren’t very good at thi are you? If the truth was out there why would Wade say wait until the rest of the story is out and why would the AD and president need WW to come have a talk? Also if there was more to it which left no doubt he’s guilty why wouldn’t that have leaked by now since there is so much support for the man? Why wouldn’t they just squash that in its tracks? Probably because they have nothing else.

The timing of all this is what really makes me skeptical AF and it should anyone with half a brain. This was planned long ago and I hope the investigation goes deep enough to find out who planned it and that is released to the public as well. Wouldn’t that be a hammer to the dirty media and schools out there. Also the way the national media jumped all over this is a little disturbing to me especially DV. Makes me think that he knows something we don’t. Either he heard everything and knows he’s guilty OR he knows that there is no more info that will come of this so it was a free shot at a school he doesn’t have real interest in. Either way if LSU is the least implicated school which I believe or if there nothing more on WW or if the whole thing comes out and we find out there was an agenda to hurt LSU, that guy has ruined his reputation by dragging this program through the mud over and over basically showing a clear bias to the SEC programs and LSU in particular. He’s thrown his hand out there so he better have more than we do.
Posted by Sir Fury
Member since Jan 2015
4605 posts
Posted on 3/28/19 at 8:37 am to
I just want to point out how stupid this whole thing is. The suspension was based on media outrage, initiated by Dick Vital. He went on a verbal rampage, telling people to "listen to the tapes". Now he admits he hasn't even heard the tapes. Again, people are basing their judgement on someone elses words.

This is why we need to wait until all the facts are out!
Posted by beauxroux
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2010
2144 posts
Posted on 3/28/19 at 8:37 am to
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If this is the case, then they are completely inept for still having Wade on the payroll, no?

That is one possibility. The other may be the tapes without explanation from WW appear really bad, but there could be an explanation from WW that diminishes the impact or clarifies the concerns.

And for the record, I think the matter was handled poorly by admin, WW and all involved.
Posted by lepdagod
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
3530 posts
Posted on 3/28/19 at 8:37 am to
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Btw why do you keep saying something you can’t know to be true and almost certainly isn’t true is true?


We y'all guessing here... I'm just doing it objectively... the proof in the pudding really ... Tigers in the Sweet 16... Will ain't on the sidelines ... put 2 and 2 together...

Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
11200 posts
Posted on 3/28/19 at 8:38 am to
Your conclusion is not surprising in today's "Headline" conviction system [Notice I didn't say Judicial System]

People today are too stupid, or too lazy to gather facts and information. They want to charge, prosecute, and convict off of headlines, and accusations, and unvaried information.

I blame the instant information era we are currently bogged down in. Everyone rushes to conclusion, even the media (which it is may suspicion that they created all of this) all in an effort to "Get it out first" instead of "Get it out right"

Now it has infected everyday people who have really nothing to gain by being first to have an opinion and throw everything away by not gathering facts and vetting information prior to judgement.

The OP's statement is ignorant in the light of the lack on proven information we have on this situation, but the OP is not totally to blame. They are a product of the dumbing down of America and for the most part the whole world.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124688 posts
Posted on 3/28/19 at 8:39 am to
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hat sure is a lot of words to say "I am not 100% confident in my opinion


Here is my opinion:
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My feeling is the suspension was/is completely pointless in terms of any benefit to the school. Sans that, my feeling is if the school reinstated Smart, they should have reinstated Wade. If Wade did what you are apparently certain he did, suspension will mitigate nothing in terms of NCAA action. Meanwhile, his suspension is being broadcast as an admission of guilt on part of the school. It sullied Wade in advance of determination of guilt. It has sullied the school. It was stupid.

However, as I've made clear, if Wade did what you are apparently certain he did, he should be dismissed.
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the actions of FKing, Alleva and apparently EarringWilliams to this point were imbecilic.
That is my opinion. I am 100% confident in it.

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continue to act an arse to everyone
Did I mention your wife, yet?
Posted by tiger_nutz
Member since Feb 2017
764 posts
Posted on 3/28/19 at 8:43 am to
You replied to my post first acting like a prick so stop crying about my hypothetical comment about your wife you friggin pansy.

You are still deflecting the ban bet

you think there is nothing to see here...I say otherwise


Posted by tiger_nutz
Member since Feb 2017
764 posts
Posted on 3/28/19 at 8:45 am to
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Tigers in the Sweet 16... Will ain't on the sidelines ... put 2 and 2 together...


I don't understand how these guys can't understand that
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124688 posts
Posted on 3/28/19 at 8:58 am to
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you think there is nothing to see here...
That is FALSE.

However, it appears you think incidents like the supposed Duke Lacrosse Gang Rape, UVA - The Frat Rape School, or NickSandmann - The Taunting Vile Insulting Intimidator of NativeAmericans were properly handled. You feel this case, which has been handled similarly, is being dealt with appropriately.

As someone with fairly close association to two of those three afore noted legal-PR calamities, and similar experiences in situations where others prematurely jumped to conclusions, I strongly disagree with your position.
Posted by tiger_nutz
Member since Feb 2017
764 posts
Posted on 3/28/19 at 9:04 am to
See the difference there is in all of those cases, the accused defended themselves and said it did not happen. What has WW done? No one has heard from the man. He looked like a scared little boy in his interview after the story broke. If he at least came out and said what happened was false then I'd back him. He has done NOTHING to show he is the least bit innocent.

But anyway...keep deflecting you friggin tool
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
119547 posts
Posted on 3/28/19 at 9:16 am to
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What has WW done?


"I cannot comment at this time on various media reports, except to say that they do not begin to tell the full story. I understand the University had to take action before all the facts are in, but I would ask everyone to withhold their judgment until the record is complete."

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No one has heard from the man.


See above.

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He looked like a scared little boy in his interview after the story broke.


Okay.

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If he at least came out and said what happened was false then I'd back him. He has done NOTHING to show he is the least bit innocent.



"I cannot comment at this time on various media reports, except to say that they do not begin to tell the full story."

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He has done NOTHING to show he is the least bit innocent.


"I cannot comment at this time on various media reports, except to say that they do not begin to tell the full story."
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
69374 posts
Posted on 3/28/19 at 9:16 am to
Will Wade has made multiple statements.
Posted by SoFresh
New Orleans
Member since May 2010
3068 posts
Posted on 3/28/19 at 9:16 am to
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LouBega
Hi Dick
Posted by tiger_nutz
Member since Feb 2017
764 posts
Posted on 3/28/19 at 9:22 am to
Why can he not outright say the claims aren't true? I don't know about you but if I was the head basketball coach of a team in the sweet 16 and some BS claims were made against me that kept me from coaching that team...you better believe I would be fighting my arse off to get back on the court. No way in hell I'd sit back until "the facts came out" if I was truly innocent.
Posted by RBWilliams8
Member since Oct 2009
53419 posts
Posted on 3/28/19 at 9:25 am to
Well, nobody has heard the tapes... so there’s that.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
119547 posts
Posted on 3/28/19 at 9:49 am to
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Why can he not outright say the claims aren't true?


Dawkins is being prosecuted by the Southern District of New York Attorney General's office for federal crimes of bribery and others.

The "tape" in question was not allowed in the case as evidence by the judge.

In the defense's point of view (that is Dawkins) that tape (amongsts other tapes not admitted) is viewed as exculpatory to the federal government's bribery charge. In other words it's a piece of the puzzle for the defense team to poke holes in the prosecutor's case to inject reasonable doubt (the standard for guilt or not guilty).

If WW talks and just the act of talking about the matter becomes public then the chance of WW being subpoenaed increases. The defense then will have an interest in deposing WW and then the "tape" potentially becomes relevant and the judge then allows the "tape" into evidence.

The defense's strategy is to throw EVERYTHING at the wall that could be exculpatory for Dawkins. EVERYTHING the judge will allow.

WW by keeping his mouth shut, or at least making non-public comments or making it not publicly known that he made comments to the admin keeps the salutation at a status quo and prevents the Dawkins defense team from including WW as part of their exculpatory evidence.

Now if WW does become part of the Dawkins exculpatory evidence (which is a very small risk at this point, but a risk nonetheless) then the federal prosecutors will have a duty discredit WW to patch the holes in their case.

How do federal prosecutors discredit defense witnesses? They set perjury traps. They do it all the time. (See the Mueller case that has been hogging the news headlines for the past 2 years for several examples.)

Now do you see the danger of WW talking or making it known publicly that he has talked?
This post was edited on 3/28/19 at 10:00 am
Posted by tiger_nutz
Member since Feb 2017
764 posts
Posted on 3/28/19 at 9:58 am to
I see what your saying but I still believe that WW is acting shady AF and i'm convinced he did something he shouldn't have. I really do hope I am wrong and that this turns out to be a big misunderstanding. I just do not see that happening.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124688 posts
Posted on 3/28/19 at 10:06 am to
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See the difference there is in all of those cases
Certainly.
None were complicated by the potential for legal entrapment that Wade's is.

Do you see the similarities?

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BTW, I do find lack of denial in Wade's only public statement worrisome. Wade simply said media reports "do not begin to tell the full story." Hardily a vigorous proclamation of total innocence.

However, his statement is not dissimilar to UNC's pronouncements as "Paper Class" allegations surfaced. The "Paper Class" situation was one in which UNC, as with the Wade-Dawkins transcripts, seemed to be caught dead-to-rights, guilty, and cause for harsh NCAA sanctions targeting the school. In the end, that was not the case at all.

The good news is the Smart family subsequently underwent a rather lengthy interrogation by LSU and NCAA officials. We don't know exactly was was said there, other than they told more of "the full story" Wade had alluded to. Of course we also know, following the discussion, Smart was reinstated. In fact, LSU sounds to have gone out of its way to quickly reinstate him.

If the Wade situation was cut-and-dry, JavonteSmart would be off the team. The NCAA assent to Javonte's reinstatement would seem extraordinarily unlikely without a thorough and believable explanation as to what the "Smart Package" was. Based on that, and the fact we will get WillWade's version of "the full story" under oath shortly, I am willing to give Wade the benefit of doubt, until he testifies.
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