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re: How can anyone defend the conversations from the tapes?
Posted on 3/28/19 at 10:11 am to tiger_nutz
Posted on 3/28/19 at 10:11 am to tiger_nutz
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I see what your saying but I still believe that WW is acting shady AF and i'm convinced he did something he shouldn't have.
I don't believe you will have trouble convincing anyone of that.
With that said the WW defenders will simply say "everyone does it" and they would be right.
Let's say that the assumption is true, WW or WW though boosters paid players.
Morally there is nothing wrong with paying players for services rendered. This is how the economy works. Doctors get paid for curing sickness. Engineers get paid for building stuff. Teachers get paid for teaching.
Legally there is nothing wrong with paying players for services rendered unless the player making the profits does not pay their taxes.
The only rule that is violated is an NCAA rule, a major rule nonetheless if you want to play in the NCAA space all in the name of the fantasy land of "amateurism".
It's sad that students on music scholarships can make a couple of grand on a weekend playing music gigs around town but athletes on scholarships can't monetize their abilities in the same way while these universities, media, and NCAA make BILLIONS off of their athletic abilities.
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Posted on 3/28/19 at 10:16 am to GumboPot
quote:Sometimes
Doctors get paid for curing sickness.
Posted on 3/28/19 at 10:18 am to NC_Tigah
Posted on 3/28/19 at 10:22 am to LouBega
Remember how bad it sounded for Sean Miller a little over a year ago. Supposedly they had him on tape discussing payouts to his star player, which is far worse than the reports on the Wade tape. We still haven't heard the tapes and he was suspended one game and still has a job.
Look at the supposed mountain of evidence for Trump/Russia collusion. How can it go from so much evidence to none.
Look at the supposed mountain of evidence for Trump/Russia collusion. How can it go from so much evidence to none.
Posted on 3/28/19 at 10:33 am to lepdagod
But you’re not and being in the sweet 16 has nothing to do with it. If theydve heard the tapes why would they need to question Wade? If what you’re alleging is true and provable we’d know by now. Those tapes are evidence and haven’t been heard by anyone is 99.999999% likely. What you’re saying is strictly rumor and has no facts to back it up.
Posted on 3/28/19 at 10:33 am to LouBega
Not saying I defend it but from what I saw he said in the conversation, he can't be convicted of wrongdoing unless they can come up with a dollar amount he spoke of or a paper trail of money exchanging hands with Javonte and his family.
Posted on 3/28/19 at 10:36 am to des4271
Actually all they have to prove is that Wade made an illegal offer. That alone is a violation and the fact they can’t even prove that based off of what was released tells you none of it is confirmed.
This post was edited on 3/28/19 at 10:38 am
Posted on 3/28/19 at 10:50 am to LouBega
Based upon what was said by WW can be assumed by everyone that it was meant as a monetary offer. That being said, everyone is "assuming" and unless there is an actual paper trail or taped conversation of Ww mentioning money or a monetary object, then they have nothing. Assumptions don't convict someone, proof does.
Posted on 3/28/19 at 11:00 am to des4271
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Based upon what was said by WW can be assumed by everyone that it was meant as a monetary offer.
Assume at your own risk. But at not mine or most importantly at Will Wade's or LSU's risk.
From the source:
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The tape does not reference any specifics about the “offer,” if the particulars of the “offer” violated NCAA rules, if the player and/or his mother ever knew of the “offer” or if anyone accepted whatever the “offer” was.
Posted on 3/28/19 at 11:04 am to GumboPot
I agree 100% and believe that something needs to for sure change in regards to players being benefited for their efforts.
The title of this thread though is "how can anyone defend the conversations from the tapes"
With the rules that are set in place now, there is not much to defend. WW did something shady and as you said
Which makes me wonder why anyone has been arguing with me in the first place since that has been my main point
I think there are going to be more coaches going down too when more comes out. Time will tell.
and believe that something needs to for sure change in regards to players being benefited for their efforts. The title of this thread though is "how can anyone defend the conversations from the tapes"
With the rules that are set in place now, there is not much to defend. WW did something shady and as you said
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I don't believe you will have trouble convincing anyone of that.
Which makes me wonder why anyone has been arguing with me in the first place since that has been my main point
I think there are going to be more coaches going down too when more comes out. Time will tell.
Posted on 3/28/19 at 11:08 am to NC_Tigah
I really do hope nothing comes out of this and WW would be able to come back. I hope I am wrong. With what I have read though, my PO is that something went down and he may go down because of it.
Posted on 3/28/19 at 11:16 am to NC_Tigah
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Any other intelligent remarks, Teacher?
I mean really? Dude you come on here acting like a prick toward me because my opinion is different from yours and when I return the favor you quote them out and keep trying to call me dumb? people like you are comical! You're the first to talk crap and when someone slings it back you get all high and mighty and act like slinging dirt is beneath you and your inferior mind. Frick off Douche. I'd love to see how you really are off the internet. I bet you don't talk like that to anyone's face. Me however? I'll call you a pansy TO your face and I bet you wouldn't do shite about it.
This post was edited on 3/28/19 at 11:17 am
Posted on 3/28/19 at 11:19 am to tiger_nutz
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Which makes me wonder why anyone has been arguing with me in the first place
Because you're not arguing that he appears to have possibly broke a rule, you have already convicted him of being a dirty, lying, shady cheat on incomplete and circumstantial, at best, evidence. Most people arguing with you are arguing that the administration mishandled the situation and they are correct. Nothing wrong with allowing Wade one month to make his case before we tar and feather him. It'll take the NCAA far longer than a month to move on this massive NCAA (not just Wade) scandal if at all.
This post was edited on 3/28/19 at 11:21 am
Posted on 3/28/19 at 11:26 am to Adajax
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How can anyone defend the conversations from the tapes?
My original post:
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WW was obviously talking about extra $ for the family. Only way it would not be true is if yahoo only released bits that made it sound that way. Innocent until proven guilty... If we are going off of what was released though...he's guilty
I literally said if just reading what was released HE LOOKS GUILTY. Then I said INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY
In my opinion it looks like he did something he was not supposed to...now please show me where I called him a dirty, lying, shady cheat...I'll wait
Posted on 3/28/19 at 11:35 am to tiger_nutz
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With the rules that are set in place now, there is not much to defend. WW did something shady and as you said
So here it is... You know only what snippet has been released... no context, no details.. nothing...
So at that point you, me and everyone else that is going off the same info does 1 of three things....
1) you assume he is guilty...
2) you assume he did nothing wrong...
3) you make no assumptions and realize there is more to the story...
You seem to fall under #1...
I for the record fall under #3...
To be clear... maybe he did do something wrong.. but if there was enough in the recording to be certain of that, then I think there would be no need for a "meeting" between Wade and anyone at LSU. And I would also add this recording was reported as far back as October of 2018. And may have been public prior to that..
So I for one will call out anyone that falls under #1 or #2
You know nothing... What you do is make assumptions... You are entitled to your assumption but do no think I for one will consider any assumption (yours or anyone elses..) to be noteworthy..
If it is ever determined by the facts he did do something wrong.. either by law or NCAA rules then deal with it..
This post was edited on 3/28/19 at 11:38 am
Posted on 3/28/19 at 11:36 am to tiger_nutz
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Which makes me wonder why anyone has been arguing with me in the first place since that has been my main point
Convincing someone in a casual manner is a much lower threshold than proving guilt. You can do the former with “common sense” arguments. The latter you actually need hard facts.
Posted on 3/28/19 at 11:39 am to klrstix
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but do no think I for one will consider any assumption (yours or anyone elses..) to be noteworthy..
never asked anyone to do as such. Literally just stating my opinion and defending myself from all you pissed off internet warriors
Posted on 3/28/19 at 11:40 am to Tiger2424
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What did you hear on the tape. I heard offer. What did you hear. I’m not looking for your guess or speculation as to what “offer” means.
You didn't hear anything because the tapes haven't been released.
Wade said point blank months ago that he never did any business with Dawkins.
I'm going to laugh my arse off when it turns out he was working with the FBI to try and catch Hawkins on tape.
And then I'm really going to laugh my arse off when he sues our limp dick administration for flying off the handle because of something Pat fricking Forde printed.
Maybe it will finally be enough to rid ourselves of F. King and Alleva.
Posted on 3/28/19 at 11:41 am to tiger_nutz
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defending myself from all you pissed off internet warriors
what do you mean by "all you"...
I have for the record stated you are entitled (!!) to your assumptions..
Posted on 3/28/19 at 11:44 am to klrstix
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what do you mean by "all you"
Refer to the past 2 or 3 pages. I was not talking about you. Should have worded it differently.
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