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re: How bad will it get for Johnny Jones next season if his team is horrible?

Posted on 3/31/16 at 11:47 am to
Posted by YouAre8Up
in a house
Member since Mar 2011
12792 posts
Posted on 3/31/16 at 11:47 am to
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 3/31/16 at 11:50 am to
quote:

There was ZERO logical reason to keep Jones as HC following this season.


Not sure I agree, but it's not an unreasonable position to take.

quote:

That decision was made strictly because of the "budget crisis".


I don't agree with this. Jones was kept on for more than one reason. The one you cite may be one of them, but there are at least these others:

1) He has the support of Dale Brown and Collis Temple, who basically run the basketball program

2) He has recruited well in the past and did improve the talent and performance of the team through his first three years before this, his first really bad season

3) LSU doesn't care about basketball, so there's no reason to make a move, especially if it costs any money, no matter how bad it gets

For the life of me, I can't understand why we spent money upgrading the basketball facilities recently if we weren't going to make any real effort to improve the program.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45567 posts
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:00 pm to
Depends on the state budget situation.
Posted by pointdog33
Member since Jan 2012
2765 posts
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:03 pm to
Posted by rjokerlsu
Big Spring, TX
Member since Apr 2007
7426 posts
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:37 pm to
The state budget situation is being used as a convenient excuse to keep Jones. King Alexander does not think LSU fans and LA residents are well enough informed to realize that a winning basketball team could produce some revenue and a losing program would hurt by having fewer tickets sold and fewer fans traveling to Baton Rouge for games, plus less media revenues.

While we are talking about getting rid of Jones and Alleva, it is equally important to take the necessary measures to send Alexander packing as well.
Posted by tarzana
TX Hwy 6-- the Brazos River Valley
Member since Sep 2015
32096 posts
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:45 pm to
Nothing will happen to Jones. LSU retained Trent Johnson through seasons of 2-15 and 3-14 in SEC play, I believe LSU will do much better than that next year
Posted by tuptiger
Member since Jan 2008
4314 posts
Posted on 3/31/16 at 1:01 pm to
Travis Ford was recently fired at Oklahoma St. I look at him as a parallel because he was mentioned for the LSU vacancy as well at that time.

Jones has done little more than Ford.
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
18720 posts
Posted on 3/31/16 at 1:21 pm to
I think there might be a slide back into apathy and low expectations so I don't know how bad it will get on a large scale. Probably not as bas as some think.

But as for me and some of the more die-hard hoops folks I think this year did it for us. Underachieving is bad enough but lack of effort....I can't rationalize that. And it was consistent much of the year.
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
26833 posts
Posted on 3/31/16 at 1:25 pm to
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It'll be ugly. No star player to sell tickets. Attendance will drop to all time lows. I already know a few season ticket holders who said they might just sell their tickets and buy game by game as needed.


Dude were you around for Trent Johnson? That was all time lows. We won like 5 total SEC games in two years combined.
This post was edited on 3/31/16 at 1:26 pm
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
18720 posts
Posted on 3/31/16 at 1:33 pm to
quote:

He has recruited well in the past and did improve the talent and performance of the team through his first three years before this, his first really bad season


I'm going to challenge this every time I see this as I see it often.

I don't think he improved the team from year one to year two. I think we had more talent and ended up with the same record and were basically an NIT bubble team both years and could just as well have make the NIT year one and not year two.

I think with 3 NBA players in his second year we underachieved. I think we held serve year one. I don't consider that improvement or getting better.
Posted by LSUFanMizeWay
Picayune MS
Member since Sep 2014
6687 posts
Posted on 3/31/16 at 2:05 pm to
Empty PMAC, not sure if Alleva will fire though.
Posted by ToneyBengals
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2016
67 posts
Posted on 3/31/16 at 3:24 pm to
Everybody so quick to credit his recruiting. Anyone giving him credit for Darcy Malone, Elbert Robinson, Aaron Epps, Odo, Gray & Bridgewater? JJ is still not recruiting enuf to overcome his coaching. Next season his coaching will be even more important. With great talent, he seriously underachieved the past 2 years. 8/9 seed last year then one and done in the NCAAs. No NCAAs this year with the team absolutely tanking late. It's gonna get worse.
Posted by ShamelessPel
Metairie
Member since Apr 2013
13142 posts
Posted on 3/31/16 at 3:52 pm to
quote:

How bad will it get for Johnny Jones next season if his team is horrible?


a raise and an extension bad
Posted by tigerborderjumper
Member since Sep 2014
2656 posts
Posted on 3/31/16 at 4:02 pm to
Aleva's there so JJ has nothing to fret about.
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
69188 posts
Posted on 3/31/16 at 4:07 pm to
Cock roaches won't even show up to the games next year.

They have better things to do like eat dirt or piss and shite on themselves.
Posted by Tom Bronco
Austin, TX
Member since Jun 2011
2911 posts
Posted on 3/31/16 at 5:01 pm to
I'm not a CJJ supporter anymore than I was a Ben Simmons supporter. But I am an LSU Tiger supporter and I really don't see how you can post stuff like this and call yourself one also.

I want the Tigers to win every year. Doesn't have to be a National Championship. Just play hard to the best of your ability and be competitive. CJJ has at least one more season and I will pull for him because that means I am pulling for the LSU basketball team. Not the Johnny Jones team, anymore than it should have been the Ben Simmons show, but the LSU team.

If somehow, despite all the odds, CJJ does turn it around and builds a team that plays together then bless him. Hope springs eternal. I will always be cautiously optimistic and excited at the start of every season. If we have another season like this one where the team is in such disarray and gives so little effort then I will be angry and disappointed. But why write them off before they even have a chance? That's not a fan. That's a Vulture.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
37341 posts
Posted on 3/31/16 at 5:18 pm to
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But why write them off before they even have a chance?
No one is writing the team off. We are writing Coach Jones off.

As a fan, you must have watched a lot of games over the last few seasons. Do you need to see more of Jones to know he isn't a good coach?

You know he is a bad coach. You are just hoping that he figures it out in year 20 of his coaching career. That's not a fan. That's an idiot.
Posted by Tiger79
Zachary
Member since Apr 2009
7814 posts
Posted on 3/31/16 at 7:06 pm to
It's gon be BbbbbbbbaaaaDdddd!!!
Posted by pellietigersaint
Tiger Stadium
Member since Aug 2005
19043 posts
Posted on 3/31/16 at 7:29 pm to
How bad? Either he will get fired or he won't.
Posted by shutterspeed
MS Gulf Coast
Member since May 2007
72488 posts
Posted on 3/31/16 at 7:34 pm to
Going to take the coaching performance of his career to keep his job after next season.
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