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Hide the offense or use every opportunity to work on it openly?
Posted on 4/3/19 at 10:34 am
Posted on 4/3/19 at 10:34 am
Pros to hiding the offense:
1. No one can game plan for it
2?
Cons to hiding the offense:
1. Players aren’t comfortable doing things in big games that they haven’t been doing all year and offense lacks timing when asked to go full-throttle.
2. Offense hasn’t progressed (don’t know which plays work irl and which to ditch)
3. Play calling hasn’t been tested and forced to adjust to different defensive looks
4. Players develop a “don’t-lose”, conservative mindset
If a team wants to run a wide-open offense, I think there is much more to gain by running that offense at every opportunity than hiding it in hopes to gain some advantage in a couple big games way down the road. Developing some tendencies and holding back some plays that break those tendencies is a good idea, but the best offenses show so much that defenses have to spend time preparing for everything. I hope the coaching staff will have an aggressive offensive mindset, for once, instead of living in fear like they have for much of the last decade.
1. No one can game plan for it
2?
Cons to hiding the offense:
1. Players aren’t comfortable doing things in big games that they haven’t been doing all year and offense lacks timing when asked to go full-throttle.
2. Offense hasn’t progressed (don’t know which plays work irl and which to ditch)
3. Play calling hasn’t been tested and forced to adjust to different defensive looks
4. Players develop a “don’t-lose”, conservative mindset
If a team wants to run a wide-open offense, I think there is much more to gain by running that offense at every opportunity than hiding it in hopes to gain some advantage in a couple big games way down the road. Developing some tendencies and holding back some plays that break those tendencies is a good idea, but the best offenses show so much that defenses have to spend time preparing for everything. I hope the coaching staff will have an aggressive offensive mindset, for once, instead of living in fear like they have for much of the last decade.
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Posted on 4/3/19 at 10:38 am to olgoi khorkhoi
I think "hiding the offense" is created by fans who want to cling to false hope.
Posted on 4/3/19 at 10:40 am to eelsuee
"Hiding the offense" is what we do Sept- December each year.
Posted on 4/3/19 at 10:40 am to olgoi khorkhoi
hiding it is pointless. Not like we can hide it all the way to November. Just have to add and tweak along the way to go against tendencies.
Posted on 4/3/19 at 10:41 am to olgoi khorkhoi
quote:
Cons to hiding the offense: 1. Players aren’t comfortable doing things in big games that they haven’t been doing all year and offense lacks timing when asked to go full-throttle. 2. Offense hasn’t progressed (don’t know which plays work irl and which to ditch) 3. Play calling hasn’t been tested and forced to adjust to different defensive looks 4. Players develop a “don’t-lose”, conservative mindset
So you actually think a controlled scrimmage will help any of this?
Posted on 4/3/19 at 10:49 am to BigSlick
LOL at people who think a spring game is anything more than a glorified practice.
'big game environment'....'playcalling tested'...EL - OH - EL
'big game environment'....'playcalling tested'...EL - OH - EL
Posted on 4/3/19 at 10:52 am to olgoi khorkhoi
Hiding the offense comes from a scarcity mindset.
The tacit acknowledgment behind hiding an offense is that they don't believe in their ability to adjust to the opponent's adjustments, so you have to hold on to as many "surprises" as you can.
None of the best offenses in the country have a "secret playbook." They run their offense every game and good luck stopping it. If you don't have extensive experience in adjusting to how a team plays you, you're not going to be prepared to do it in high leverage moments.
The tacit acknowledgment behind hiding an offense is that they don't believe in their ability to adjust to the opponent's adjustments, so you have to hold on to as many "surprises" as you can.
None of the best offenses in the country have a "secret playbook." They run their offense every game and good luck stopping it. If you don't have extensive experience in adjusting to how a team plays you, you're not going to be prepared to do it in high leverage moments.
This post was edited on 4/3/19 at 10:55 am
Posted on 4/3/19 at 10:54 am to eelsuee
quote:
I think "hiding the offense" is created by fans who want to cling to false hope.
O himself believes in this narrative
Posted on 4/3/19 at 10:56 am to olgoi khorkhoi
Hide it like the Canada playbook that we never got to see
Posted on 4/3/19 at 10:57 am to olgoi khorkhoi
I think you're putting too much stock in what the spring game is. It may be in TS and in front of fans, but it's hardly anything the players haven't been doing in practice/scrimmages already. There's no difference.
Posted on 4/3/19 at 10:59 am to Goldrush25
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Hiding the offense comes from a scarcity mindset.
People think I’m talking about the spring game, but I’m talking about a mindset. If the mindset is extended to the spring game, then it exists and needs to be eliminated, imo.
I agree with everything you said.
Posted on 4/3/19 at 11:02 am to nitwit
quote:
"Hiding the offense" is what we do Sept- December each year.
Posted on 4/3/19 at 11:03 am to olgoi khorkhoi
IF you are referring to the spring game, I don't think it matters at all what they do because it's just a practice that people get to see. There's no way there's any kind of test or pressure to determine what works and what doesn't.
If you are referring to holding back in "gimme" games, I totally agree with you. If the offensive game plan is to be wide open and multiple, then that needs to happen from snap 1 against Georgia Southern. I don't give a frick what Texas may or may not see, if you want Chase to touch the ball 15 times a game then let him touch it 15 times in the first game. Don't hide him or others because you can win without them, execute every thing you can in a live environment, and not try it for the first time on the road in Austin
If you are referring to holding back in "gimme" games, I totally agree with you. If the offensive game plan is to be wide open and multiple, then that needs to happen from snap 1 against Georgia Southern. I don't give a frick what Texas may or may not see, if you want Chase to touch the ball 15 times a game then let him touch it 15 times in the first game. Don't hide him or others because you can win without them, execute every thing you can in a live environment, and not try it for the first time on the road in Austin
Posted on 4/3/19 at 11:04 am to Goldrush25
Fat fingered the DV....sorry. Take and UV sir.
Posted on 4/3/19 at 11:08 am to olgoi khorkhoi
I for one am very happy that the LSU “secret playbook” is such a highly guarded secret.
Posted on 4/3/19 at 11:19 am to olgoi khorkhoi
"You dummios can't even run a simple draw and you got secret formations "
-bud kilmer
-bud kilmer
Posted on 4/3/19 at 11:46 am to olgoi khorkhoi
Hiding it is easy. It’s finding it that’s the problem.
Posted on 4/3/19 at 11:48 am to olgoi khorkhoi
He didn't say he was going to hide the offense. He said they wouldn't open the playbook. In other words, they aren't going to show everything. It'll be some basic schemes they're currently working on.
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