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Posted on 7/6/21 at 11:04 am to ell_13
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high effort guy
If you have to look at one thing to determine a guy is a relief guy or starter, IMO it's this.
Is opener a thing in college?
A Sunday of Fontenot 3-4 innings and Hilliard 5-6 might be an experiment worth trying?
Don't know why it would be that instead of the other way around though.
This post was edited on 7/6/21 at 11:07 am
Posted on 7/6/21 at 11:04 am to Naptime
I feel like ive seen him throw a changeup occasionally
Posted on 7/6/21 at 11:11 am to Meauxjeaux
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A Sunday of Fontenot 3-4 innings and Hilliard 5-6 might be an experiment worth trying?
Don't know why it would be that instead of the other way around though.
After what Hilliard revealed this past season in an interview and then had the production to back it up, I don't think Johnson or his new PC would be wise to try and put Hilliard back in the pen.
Now maybe a situation comes about where the young guys develop and a couple transfers come in that there is just no room for Hilliard to be a weekend starter anymore; but unless that is the case, then he needs to remain in a starting role.
Posted on 7/6/21 at 11:16 am to TigerLaw40
quote:I don’t remember seeing this, what was it?
After what Hilliard revealed this past season in an interview
Posted on 7/6/21 at 11:19 am to ell_13
Hess initially was a starter and a middle rtliever but fell into the closers role out of necessity where he flourished. He was then tried as a starter but he never really flourished as one.
Posted on 7/6/21 at 11:19 am to MOT
He feels more comfortable starting I believe is what is being referred to.
Posted on 7/6/21 at 11:26 am to ell_13
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But unfortunately, like them, he's a two-pitch, high effort guy who may not have a ton of success going 3 times through a lineup.
If we stack up a bunch of guys that can go 2x through, or even 1 full time through, it takes the pressure of going 3x off.
I think the freshman class is stocked with multi inning relief/fringe starters. The bullpen management would take a lot more finesse than we're used to, but it could absolutely work.
ETA: this past year's freshman class I mean.
This post was edited on 7/6/21 at 11:28 am
Posted on 7/6/21 at 11:27 am to Naptime
Great info.
One name that many seem to overlook is Brody Drost. Didn't have the type of season some expected but he was very young and didn't get a ton of ABs. Huge talent that will benefit from the year of experience and a new offensive minded coaching staff. Drost is going to win a starting OF spot IMO and hit for average and power.
One name that many seem to overlook is Brody Drost. Didn't have the type of season some expected but he was very young and didn't get a ton of ABs. Huge talent that will benefit from the year of experience and a new offensive minded coaching staff. Drost is going to win a starting OF spot IMO and hit for average and power.
Posted on 7/6/21 at 11:28 am to covtgr
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One name that many seem to overlook is Brody Drost. Didn't have the type of season some expected but he was very young and didn't get a ton of ABs.
Him and Morgan are still 18.
In contrast, incoming OF Josh Stevenson has been 19 for like 3 months.
Posted on 7/6/21 at 11:32 am to covtgr
Drost is a guy with as much raw power as anyone on the team. He’s going to have to fix his pitch recognition and swing and miss though for him to compete for a spot
Posted on 7/6/21 at 11:32 am to josh336
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Not sure what yall see that leads yall to think he cant/wont succeed as a starter
He has a very jerky, high effort delivery.
He spins off the mound which accounts for his location inconsistency at times.
And, he really only throws two pitches and the slider is inconsistent.
All of those things aren't good for a pitcher wanting to go 6+ innings. Just my opinion.
This post was edited on 7/6/21 at 11:34 am
Posted on 7/6/21 at 11:33 am to Meauxjeaux
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Sunday of Fontenot 3-4 innings and Hilliard 5-6 might be an experiment worth trying?
They are trying to get away from clown & pony show. Great teams don’t set up a rotation like this
Posted on 7/6/21 at 11:34 am to MOT
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I don’t remember seeing this, what was it?
I don't remember exactly when. It was in an interview and honestly may have been something said by Mainieri saying that Hilliard told the coaches.
But overall it was just the idea that Hilliard said he is way more comfortable as a starter and likes when he knows what day he is going to pitch and having a routine to prepare for the game. As a bullpen pitcher the mindset is completely different.
Posted on 7/6/21 at 11:48 am to ell_13
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The situations are very different. Fontenot does have some experience going over 50 pitches already. He's much older than Ott and Hess were when we made the attempt to move them. But unfortunately, like them, he's a two-pitch, high effort guy who may not have a ton of success going 3 times through a lineup.
Alex Lange was a two-pitch, max effort guy who did pretty well here. I'm not saying Fontenot would excel to that level, but I think two pitch guys can succeed at the college level, if he has two quality pitches, and commands them. The command has been his biggest issue, but he seems to settle in when he has long outings. Hess was one guy who just got progressively worse as the game went on with his command, save for a few outings. I never cared for moving him to the starting role, but understood that it was likely something that Mainieri promised him to get him on campus.
I don't think it would hurt to start Fontenot in the rotation to begin the year in non conference to see how he does with the extra workload, and to just see how effective he'll be, and if it doesn't work out, put him back in the bullpen. It's likely going to be a lot of experimentation with the entire rotation to start the year, unless Johnson raids the portal market.
Posted on 7/6/21 at 11:53 am to Naptime
Drost was also a good pitcher at Barbe, better than alot of our bullpen from last year
Posted on 7/6/21 at 12:01 pm to Metaloctopus
Lange had a third pitch that he could use when necessary. He had a good FB and a plus curve though so he rarely needed it. Fontenot has neither of those.
Posted on 7/6/21 at 12:04 pm to BayouBengel07
Every player on a D1 baseball roster was a good pitcher in high school
Posted on 7/6/21 at 12:04 pm to ell_13
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Lange had a third pitch that he could use when necessary. He had a good FB and a plus curve though so he rarely needed it. Fontenot has neither of those.
Ell, throwing a crappy changeup maybe three times a game does not count as having a third pitch, my friend. Fontenot has a good fastball and a plus slider, WHEN he commands it. If they get his command back on that slider, he can absolutely be effective. 2019 vs. FSU, being exhibit A.
Posted on 7/6/21 at 12:11 pm to Metaloctopus
I wouldn’t call it a crappy changeup. And that FSU team had no business being in Omaha.
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