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Posted on 10/5/14 at 8:23 pm to ballscaster
quote:Thanks in large part to the aforementioned momentum, mindset and intangibles that Nick Saban bestowed upon the program. The Saban wave was huge, and to give total credit to any successful coach after his stint is simply poppycock.
He took a five-loss team to a national title three years later.
Posted on 10/5/14 at 8:25 pm to vjm41
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NO, Saban and Emmertt took over a woeful program in 2000. I was so bad we were busing the team to the practice field and yet won @ SEC Championships and a National Championship in only 5 years and with all the players that Saban recruited with the EXCEPTION of 1, won another title on 07. Miles inherited the top SEC program with by far the most talented roster and yet he still managed to lose 2 games a year and in o7 all he had to do was beat Arkansas, last game of the year to take the NC, but instead he called them AR-Kansas and had their team and State so fire up we got a royal butt kicking and if not for all the stars lining up and everybody losing we would have no played for the National Title that year, and still you have a dozen teams that claim they should have played in that game not LSU. You can say under MILES watch we have been passed up now even by OLE MISS and MISS STATE. The man has access to a Talent pool unlike others and he has done LESS With more than anybody in memory. Spurrier who I do not like would have had 3 titles at least if he would have taken over in 05 or Jimbo and that's a minimum of 3. Les Mile will not WIN another NC as a coach miracles don't happen twice.
Agree
Posted on 10/5/14 at 8:26 pm to White Tiger
Absolutely, but unfortunately, the inconsistency is becoming a bigger problem every year.
Posted on 10/5/14 at 8:28 pm to White Tiger
Miles has secured his place in LSU history. He has done a good job, but the wheels are coming off. He did a great job during the Katrina issues, and he won a national championship in 2007. There are no excuses for the ineptitude that we display on offense. The game has evolved, and some coaches such as Saban, Miles, Richt, and maybe even Spurrier have not evolved with it. I really think Les is a good guy, and I wish him well. It is time to step aside and reap the benefits of your hard work.
Posted on 10/5/14 at 8:34 pm to tigerpawl
quote:But giving credit to a man who left the program four years earlier and was by this time working in direct opposition to LSU is perfectly logical.
Thanks in large part to the aforementioned momentum, mindset and intangibles that Nick Saban bestowed upon the program. The Saban wave was huge, and to give total credit to any successful coach after his stint is simply poppycock.
You Miles bashers are insane. Absolutely insane.
Posted on 10/5/14 at 8:35 pm to tjohn deaux
True, to be fair Miles had a good run for awhile. But he's beginning to look like a "has been." For those who keep insisting on his past success...We can't keep him justed because he used to be a good coach. We haven't seen anything redeemable in a few years.
Posted on 10/5/14 at 8:39 pm to dgnx6
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Oklahoma State. LSU has never been as bad as they were.
The Hallman years were as bad as anything in CFB.
Posted on 10/5/14 at 8:41 pm to White Tiger
quote:Serious answer: yes.
Serious question. When Saban left, the expectations for continued success was very high
When Saban left, he had taken a program fallen into serious decline and raised them to respectability. He won 2 SEC titles, one as a huge upset (2001). The second led to a national title (2003), but that was never expected. Georgia was the team supposed to win the SEC that season, and after the first, close win in Tiger Stadium, it was commonly thought that the Bulldogs would whip LSU in the championship in Atlanta. After winning the SEC title, LSU got into the national title game through "the back door", leading to the only openly disputed national title of the BCS era (remember all the love for USC, and the "threepeat" talk). He followed that title with his last season, where the Tigers lost 4 games, including their bowl.
Miles came in and established LSU as a Top 5 team, with the best 3 year run in the history of the program, including another national title. After a down season in which LSU lost 5 games, he built the team back up into a top 10/top 5 team, including another SEC title and BCS appearance.
When Saban left, we were still elated about even being considered for national honors, and were hopeful we could continue to compete at a high level.
Miles has established the program to a point where losing a national title game is considered a disappointment, and the fanbase is outraged when we don't win conference titles.
Just the fact that he receives criticism for "only" winning 10 games a year is a testament to how high the program has climbed.
Posted on 10/5/14 at 8:44 pm to Topwater Trout
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If he wants to prove he is a great coach he needs to rebuild a program.
Well he did bring Okie state to respect from a joke of a program
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Les wasn't a "great" coach when we hired him. LSU made Les not vice versa
It was mutually beneficial. To say that anyone could step into that job and do as well as he has done is asinine. Texas, Florida, USC, Michigan, Miami all jobs with the same level of talent and resources and all have fallen off with coaches who were supposed to be the next great thing.
2011 hurt. If we play okie state and rout them then Les gets a statue.
As it is he has still had a fantastic career at LSU and has performed above the expectations of the fanbase and of the majority of his peers in similar situations. Every damn year since 2005 the haters of Les said this is the year the wheels would come off. Well you finally got your wish in his 10th season.
Posted on 10/5/14 at 8:46 pm to Scoob
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When Saban left, he had taken a program fallen into serious decline and raised them to respectability. He won 2 SEC titles, one as a huge upset (2001). The second led to a national title (2003), but that was never expected. Georgia was the team supposed to win the SEC that season, and after the first, close win in Tiger Stadium, it was commonly thought that the Bulldogs would whip LSU in the championship in Atlanta. After winning the SEC title, LSU got into the national title game through "the back door", leading to the only openly disputed national title of the BCS era (remember all the love for USC, and the "threepeat" talk). He followed that title with his last season, where the Tigers lost 4 games, including their bowl.
Miles came in and established LSU as a Top 5 team, with the best 3 year run in the history of the program, including another national title. After a down season in which LSU lost 5 games, he built the team back up into a top 10/top 5 team, including another SEC title and BCS appearance.
The rise up is much funner than the maintenance. The us against the world mentality is a blast. Just look at the Mississippi schools right now. Compare them to us and Bama. Hell look at 2012 and the difference in the TAMU fanbase and ours.
Posted on 10/5/14 at 8:50 pm to JawjaTigah
IMO, if the answer is "Yes", then talk of replacing CLM is premature at best. If "No", then one must ask how long to allow the program to deteriorate before separating from CLM. I am not sure of the answer myself. I try to find some evidence of improvement, but cannot enumerate any. A standstill is just another way of saying decline inasmuch as other programs are getting better.
No reason to think that this season will be a near disaster. What then?
No reason to think that this season will be a near disaster. What then?
Posted on 10/5/14 at 8:53 pm to White Tiger
Dude, get over Saban. It's been a F'ing decade. Your assessment n your attributable credit is silly.
Posted on 10/5/14 at 8:53 pm to White Tiger
Losing sure does bring out the idiots
Posted on 10/5/14 at 8:56 pm to White Tiger
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IMO, if the answer is "Yes", then talk of replacing CLM is premature at best. If "No", then one must ask how long to allow the program to deteriorate before separating from CLM. I am not sure of the answer myself. I try to find some evidence of improvement, but cannot enumerate any. A standstill is just another way of saying decline inasmuch as other programs are getting better.
No reason to think that this season will be a near disaster. What then?
You do realize that this is ridiculous right? The program was 2 years off a NC. Where is he supposed to improve on that? I can count only 5 active coaches with a NC. He has won 1 and been to 2. He kept the program at an elite level and theres not much more you can expect than that.
Posted on 10/5/14 at 8:58 pm to ipodking
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Losing sure does bring out the idiots
Welcome.
Posted on 10/5/14 at 9:01 pm to Adam Banks
28-21 at ok state is respectable. What is their record since he left?
There is no way to prove or disprove if another coach would have been better, equal, or worse at LSU. But I believe had LSU not hired him he wouldn't be known across the country like he is now. I don't think he is a great recruiter but he is a good one. Name one major college team down south that doesn't have another major program to recruit against...Arkansas is the only one I can think of. Saban & even Dinardo deserve the credit for getting our top recruits to stay in state.
I look for ole miss and state to keep more of their top recruits now that they are showing they can compete. Also A&M in Texas. Recruiting from each if those states will suffer and they may start stealing more of our own recruits. If you play offenses would you pick lsu over those 3 schools right now?
There is no way to prove or disprove if another coach would have been better, equal, or worse at LSU. But I believe had LSU not hired him he wouldn't be known across the country like he is now. I don't think he is a great recruiter but he is a good one. Name one major college team down south that doesn't have another major program to recruit against...Arkansas is the only one I can think of. Saban & even Dinardo deserve the credit for getting our top recruits to stay in state.
I look for ole miss and state to keep more of their top recruits now that they are showing they can compete. Also A&M in Texas. Recruiting from each if those states will suffer and they may start stealing more of our own recruits. If you play offenses would you pick lsu over those 3 schools right now?
Posted on 10/5/14 at 9:09 pm to GA Tiger
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Miles inherited the top SEC program with by far the most talented roster
Recruiting rankings say other wise. Nick had 1 #1 class, none of them were on the team in 07. So I guess no body from 05-06-07 contributed to LSU winning games in 07? This is just asinine. We had 8 commitments when saban left and finished with 13 in 05. Les recruited more in one month than saban did in 2 years for that class. Let me tell you, LSU recruits itself yet nick could only get 8 fricking players to commit to the school? You guys are fricking delusional.
Posted on 10/5/14 at 9:11 pm to Topwater Trout
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But I believe had LSU not hired him he wouldn't be known across the country like he is now.
Ok. Your point? I know Brady Hoke's name because Michigan hired him. Does that automatically equal success? I knew Muschamps name before Florida hired him. That sure didnt equal success.
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Name one major college team down south that doesn't have another major program to recruit against
If you dont see that other schools are trying to raid LA then I dont know what to say. Also that formula did not equal the success he has maintained. Texas is the biggest name in the biggest football state in the country and has its own television network and hasnt been able to equal our success.
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Saban & even Dinardo deserve the credit for getting our top recruits to stay in state.
And Les continued it. Not every coach at LSU could do it and even if they did that didnt equal success.
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Also A&M in Texas. Recruiting from each if those states will suffer and they may start stealing more of our own recruits. If you play offenses would you pick lsu over those 3 schools right now?
And yet we were the first school in the SEC to have a 3000 yard passer 2 1000 yard receivers and a 1000 yard rusher in the same season. 18 year olds will make 18 year old decisions.
Also this is a thread discussing Les' tenure at LSU. Les has done as well as any individual could have done when we hired him. CURRENT Saban or Urban are the only two who might have had a couple more championships, but Saban is a different coach after going to the NFL. He improved from when we had him. Urban was already hired by UF by the time Saban left if I remember correctly.
This post was edited on 10/5/14 at 9:11 pm
Posted on 10/5/14 at 9:12 pm to dgnx6
Eesh
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