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re: Has LSU football improved under CLM?
Posted on 10/5/14 at 9:12 pm to White Tiger
Posted on 10/5/14 at 9:12 pm to White Tiger
No.. No one I can recall has improved.
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Posted on 10/5/14 at 9:15 pm to dgnx6
quote:Yeah, it is That is without a doubt, but whom do you credit more? Saban or Miles? Saban was the one that brought the initial success and started the process of making substantial progressions within the program. The football admin building for example.
I'm a business man, this programs worth is in the top 5. Yes it is better than in 2005.
Saban is better than Miles. He just is. If he would have stayed, LSU would have 2 or 3 more championships at least.
Posted on 10/5/14 at 9:19 pm to vjm41
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NO, Saban and Emmertt took over a woeful program in 2000. I was so bad we were busing the team to the practice field and yet won @ SEC Championships and a National Championship in only 5 years and with all the players that Saban recruited with the EXCEPTION of 1, won another title on 07. Miles inherited the top SEC program with by far the most talented roster and yet he still managed to lose 2 games a year and in o7 all he had to do was beat Arkansas, last game of the year to take the NC, but instead he called them AR-Kansas and had their team and State so fire up we got a royal butt kicking and if not for all the stars lining up and everybody losing we would have no played for the National Title that year, and still you have a dozen teams that claim they should have played in that game not LSU. You can say under MILES watch we have been passed up now even by OLE MISS and MISS STATE. The man has access to a Talent pool unlike others and he has done LESS With more than anybody in memory. Spurrier who I do not like would have had 3 titles at least if he would have taken over in 05 or Jimbo and that's a minimum of 3. Les Mile will not WIN another NC as a coach miracles don't happen twice.
spurrier or jimbo would have at least TWO. with a possibility at 4! 06, 07, 2011, and 2012.
Posted on 10/5/14 at 9:19 pm to Laman1978
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Saban is better than Miles. He just is. If he would have stayed, LSU would have 2 or 3 more championships at least.
Saban learned and improved while in the NFL but lets just play this game for a second.
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hat is without a doubt, but whom do you credit more? Saban or Miles? Saban was the one that brought the initial success and started the process of making substantial progressions within the program. The football admin building for example.
Saban is better than Miles. He just is. If he would have stayed, LSU would have 2 or 3 more championships at least.
So what if Saban is more to credit. HE LEFT. We didnt fire him. We didnt pick Les over Saban. He chose the Dolphins over LSU. Les has maintained at a relatively elite level when every program save OU has had huge fall offs in the same period of time.
Ok Saban may have built it. Ok Saban may be better. What relevance does that have to do with what Les did in his 10 years at LSU.
Posted on 10/5/14 at 9:21 pm to Adam Banks
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Les has done as well as any individual could have done when we hired .
That is your opinion...not a fact.
Posted on 10/5/14 at 9:22 pm to vjm41
This post is dead on
Posted on 10/5/14 at 9:22 pm to Fat Bastard
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spurrier or jimbo would have at least TWO
Spurrier won 1 in more years at florida with a larger population with more talent and never had an undefeated regular season in a much less competative SEC and Miami on sanctions.
Posted on 10/5/14 at 9:24 pm to Alumni80
Thanks....
Posted on 10/5/14 at 9:24 pm to Topwater Trout
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. Name one major college team down south that doesn't have another major program to recruit against..
Ou, Miami, fsu. Yeah they used to raid LA. No program to recruit against? The sheer numbers in Florida means there is enough talent to fill 4 teams. Not enough talent in LA to fill one. 51% of the players in 07 were from out of state. Georgia has 2 fbs programs, LA has what? 5? Again some delusion from you people. La didn't get back to normal until 2011, Six years after Katrina. Why? All the talent is from south east LA.
Posted on 10/5/14 at 9:26 pm to Adam Banks
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Spurrier won 1 in more years at florida with a larger population with more talent and never had an undefeated regular season in a much less competative SEC and Miami on sanctions.
you are right. he sux. he never woulda won shite here. without a doubt his success here could have never eclipsed what he did at UF. just like saban's success at bama could never eclipse what he did at LSU......oops...........wait.......
Posted on 10/5/14 at 9:26 pm to dgnx6
The balance of this year will speak volumes about CLM. I have said repeatedly that his teams do not improve as the year goes on. Well, he is set up perfectly to prove me wrong. We will see what happens.
Posted on 10/5/14 at 9:27 pm to Topwater Trout
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That is your opinion...not a fact.
I can look at other programs in similar situations and compare the available coaches in 2005 and can make a fairly accurate guess.
We are not the most storied program in the country. In all reality we were essentially a one hit wonder at the point Les was hired. Yes Saban left the cupboard full but he did so with oversigning and screwed us for the future with having a 13 person signing class.
Plenty of coaches have walked into better situations and done far worse.
Posted on 10/5/14 at 9:28 pm to Fat Bastard
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you are right. he sux. he never woulda won shite here. without a doubt his success here could have never eclipsed what he did at UF. just like saban's success at bama could never eclipse what he did at LSU......oops...........wait.......
I never said he sucks. I said that by objective data Les has done as well as he has done in less years at a program with similar available talent and exposure. I have reiterated multiple times that Saban is a better coach than Les.
This post was edited on 10/5/14 at 9:29 pm
Posted on 10/5/14 at 9:28 pm to Laman1978
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Yeah, it is That is without a doubt, but whom do you credit more? Saban or Miles? S
Miles sustained success over 9 seasons. Didn't happen over night. I also give credit to the athletic department for pumping money in and selling the program. But it helps when you have a winner. The program is better off now than it was in 2005.
But let's not act like saban is some genius. A blind, deaf monkey knows you need money to be elite. You need facilities, frick Hallman knew this and built the indoor practice facility. Saban can thank him for getting that started.
Look if Les lost more than he won, he wouldn't have lasted this long. S
This post was edited on 10/5/14 at 9:31 pm
Posted on 10/5/14 at 9:30 pm to JawjaTigah
quote:The premise of this entire thread is ridiculous. Of course Miles has improved the program. No one in their right mind would question what Miles has accomplished. The issue instead is what he has left in the tank.
You make some strong points and ask some crucial questions.
Posted on 10/5/14 at 9:30 pm to Adam Banks
and do not even play the USC card. they do not have the talent Louisiana has. he's done well there with what he has to work with. SOS sure won a bunch of sec titles didn't he at UF? all we talked about was nattys.
Posted on 10/5/14 at 9:32 pm to White Tiger
I think we picked a rough year to be down.
I think we all knew it would be rough losing Mett, Jarvis, Hill, and OBJ.
But the rest of the division is very good.
I think we all knew it would be rough losing Mett, Jarvis, Hill, and OBJ.
But the rest of the division is very good.
Posted on 10/5/14 at 9:32 pm to Fat Bastard
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and do not even play the USC card. they do not have the talent Louisiana has. he's done well there with what he has to work with. SOS sure won a bunch of sec titles didn't he at UF? all we talked about was nattys.
Im comparing UF spurrier and Les. The SEC was way down when SS was there and he only won 1 NC and never had an undefeated regular season.
Posted on 10/5/14 at 9:32 pm to Fat Bastard
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and do not even play the USC card. they do not have the talent Louisiana has.
bullshite. Some cycles yes. But 05-10, were really down years in LA. Les had to recruit oos to keep the program afloat.
This post was edited on 10/5/14 at 9:35 pm
Posted on 10/5/14 at 9:38 pm to Adam Banks
quote:Because I am tired of hearing the "positigers" claim that Les is a better coach than Saban. They act like the program improved under Miles and give Saban absolutely no credit. The fact of the matter is that Les was 27-21 at Oklahoma State before even coming here. He was an average coach there and has not improved while he has been at LSU. He was handed the keys of a Nascar by Nick Saban but drives it like an old woman.
Ok Saban may have built it. Ok Saban may be better. What relevance does that have to do with what Les did in his 10 years at LSU.
So many fans like to think that we could do no better. Positigers keep making the claim that Les is so great because of his win/loss record compared to other coaches. They think we couldn't get anyone better. Why do positigers have so much faith in Les Miles and so little faith in LSU itself?
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