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Posted on 9/10/26 at 10:57 am
Posted by pelicanpride
Houston
Member since Oct 2007
1709 posts
Posted on 9/10/26 at 10:57 am


I can't believe I am saying this, but I have to defend LSU and Lane Kiffin here. I don't enjoy it.

Strip away the pearl-clutching and read the SEC's own complaint and Sankey's declaration. The conference seems intent on doing something regardless. Complaint ¶ 94 and Sankey ¶ 44: the CEOs will proceed "whether LSU renounces its intention to roster and play professional players on its football team, or not." Paragraph 81 goes further, saying the same thing whether or not LSU ever rosters anyone at all. That language was drafted to survive precisely what happened Tuesday night when LSU filled its roster to 105 and left no room for the pros. I get that it may succeed procedurally. It fails catastrophically as persuasion because it concedes that the expulsion has nothing to do with the conduct the lawsuit is about.

So look at what is actually left. Kiffin's press conferences, his obnoxious halftime remark, his GameDay appearance, and LSU's supposed alignment with the Baton Rouge plaintiffs who hold that wacky, overbroad injunction. Compl. ¶¶ 77, 89-92. That is the gravamen. If the SEC disciplines LSU on that record, and asks a federal court to bless it, what it is really punishing is a public employee's speech about a matter of public concern.

That is a First Amendment case. It just isn't the SEC's. It's Kiffin's. Fifteen of the sixteen members are public universities, and the conference is governed by their presidents, who are themselves state actors. Brentwood Academy v. TSSAA, 531 US 288 (2001), held that a private athletic association can be a state actor through pervasive entwinement with the public institutions that constitute it. Whether the SEC clears that bar is a serious question, and I wouldn't call it a foregone conclusion. But the irony writes itself. The SEC's entire theory depends on LSU officials being state actors, and the SEC pleads at ¶ 96, citing West v. Atkins, that Kiffin is one. Ironically, if not shockingly, that supplies the predicate for Kiffin's claim against it.

Kiffin is a public employee criticizing his governing body's policy, which puts him on the side of Pickering v. Board of Education, 391 US 563 (1968) (teacher fired for a letter to the paper criticizing how his school board spent money, where the Court held a public employee does not surrender the right to speak as a citizen on matters of public concern, and courts must weigh that interest against the employer's interest in running its operation). If Kiffin pleads retaliation as a counterclaim, it will be a much, much better First Amendment claim than the one the SEC is asserting in its complaint.

To be clear, I think LSU and Kiffin instigated this mess, and I think conferences can write product-defining eligibility rules. Alston did not bless such rules, but it did not condemn them either. Justice Gorsuch's opinion for the Court was careful to decide only what was in front of it — education-related benefits — and it left undisturbed the finding that some restraints preserving the line between college and professional sports can be procompetitive. The SEC has a real defense there, subject to the rule of reason like anyone else. I am on Team SEC.

But the conference is missing a lot. It meets today to consider punishing LSU and Kiffin. It can punish a violation of its rules. What it cannot do is punish speech alone. After Tuesday night, speech is all that is left. LSU filled its roster to 105. No professional will play a down. The harm the SEC went to federal court to prevent never happened.

LSU and Kiffin just talked about it.
Posted by The Baker
This is fine.
Member since Dec 2011
21122 posts
Posted on 9/10/26 at 10:58 am to
Yup saw that post
Posted by pelicanpride
Houston
Member since Oct 2007
1709 posts
Posted on 9/10/26 at 10:59 am to
I noted a couple of days ago that I found it ironic that a First Amendment claim was being made by the SEC. Glad folks nationally are starting to notice.
Posted by Kato
Sec 102
Member since Nov 2006
3239 posts
Posted on 9/10/26 at 11:00 am to
Well said!

It's wild to think the SEC has turned Kiffin into a victim instead of a villain (outside of the SEC, of course). Well done Sankey!
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
72007 posts
Posted on 9/10/26 at 11:03 am to
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with the Baton Rouge plaintiffs who hold that wacky, overbroad injunction.


What made that one more wacky than the 100 other ones that happened before it?

Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
163279 posts
Posted on 9/10/26 at 11:08 am to
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But the conference is missing a lot. It meets today to consider punishing LSU and Kiffin. It can punish a violation of its rules. What it cannot do is punish speech alone. After Tuesday night, speech is all that is left. LSU filled its roster to 105. No professional will play a down. The harm the SEC went to federal court to prevent never happened.

LSU and Kiffin just talked about it.


This post was edited on 9/10/26 at 11:10 am
Posted by magildachunks
Member since Oct 2006
36715 posts
Posted on 9/10/26 at 11:09 am to
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What made that one more wacky than the 100 other ones that happened before it?



Probably the ruling that LSU couldn't be punished for rostering the players
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
38838 posts
Posted on 9/10/26 at 11:10 am to
No one is doing shite today. This is performative.
Posted by tigerskin
Member since Nov 2004
47419 posts
Posted on 9/10/26 at 11:11 am to
He is telling the SEC "you better take what you got and move on."
Posted by H2O Tiger
Delta Sky Club
Member since May 2021
8077 posts
Posted on 9/10/26 at 11:11 am to
If you can penalize coaches for talking, Kentucky's coach should be suspended for encouraging fans to break the rule.

This is what the SEC is opening itself up to if they penalize Kiffin.

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This post was edited on 9/10/26 at 11:14 am
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
72007 posts
Posted on 9/10/26 at 11:14 am to
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Probably the ruling that LSU couldn't be punished for rostering the players


Oh so every other school can arbitrarily be punished for rostering and playing those other players?

That should probably concern everyone with a rational outlook, no?
Posted by RemyLeBeau
Member since Mar 2015
2315 posts
Posted on 9/10/26 at 11:14 am to
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Kiffin is a public employee


The People's Champion
Posted by NC_Tigah
Ray Bans for Max Polarization
Member since Sep 2003
141043 posts
Posted on 9/10/26 at 11:18 am to
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LSU and Kiffin instigated this mess
Negative.

The NCAA instigated this mess with the idiotic timing of the 5-for-5 roll out.

The players sued, as they have every right to do. Courts interceded as they have every right to do. Kiffin and LSU abided BOTH the courts and the SEC as those parties fought it out. Neither LSU nor Kiffin were a party to those actions.

The SEC ignored the BR State Court findings, continued to pressure LSU despite Judge Jorden's admonition to not do that, and now will certainly face suits by the players whom they harmed in the process.
Posted by Laman1978
Earth
Member since Jan 2009
12137 posts
Posted on 9/10/26 at 11:20 am to
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If you can penalize coaches for talking, Kentucky's coach should be suspended for encouraging fans to break the rule.
Or Tennessee's coach for encouraging fans to throw mustard bottles and golf balls at Kiffin!
Posted by NC_Tigah
Ray Bans for Max Polarization
Member since Sep 2003
141043 posts
Posted on 9/10/26 at 11:23 am to
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Or Tennessee's coach for encouraging fans to throw mustard bottles and golf balls at Kiffin!
Which, unlike Kiffin's quips, actually does break a specific SEC rule.
Posted by ole man
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2007
18771 posts
Posted on 9/10/26 at 11:24 am to
That’s great and all. But him thinking LSUinstigated all this is bullshite and it pains him to say the sec is fricked up and gonna get theirs arse hande to them.

Man up dude admit the fricking truth.
Posted by Pedropatterstine
Member since Aug 2026
825 posts
Posted on 9/10/26 at 11:24 am to
It is what liberals do...spin it. Nothing genuine about them
Posted by ole man
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2007
18771 posts
Posted on 9/10/26 at 11:25 am to
He frickin lost me there. He’s a sec shill with some sense unlike the rest of these turds
Posted by LigerDropping
Laffy Taffy
Member since Oct 2021
298 posts
Posted on 9/10/26 at 11:25 am to
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Strip away the pearl-clutching
the SEC Presidents are some serious pearl clutchers
Posted by WaterLink
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2015
20854 posts
Posted on 9/10/26 at 11:25 am to
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Negative.

The NCAA instigated this mess with the idiotic timing of the 5-for-5 roll out.

The players sued, as they have every right to do. Courts interceded as they have every right to do. Kiffin and LSU abided BOTH the courts and the SEC as those parties fought it out. Neither LSU nor Kiffin were a party to those actions.


Not to mention that similar suits were filed all over the country. The conferences didn't step into any of those. It was only when the SEC made those new rules a week before the hearing that they became enjoined in the case. Fact of the matter is, the SEC stayed out of all these other suits but they essentially inserted themselves into this particular one. I don't see how that's LSU's fault, that's a decision they made.
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