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re: Fulton’s attorney on AFR (notes)

Posted on 8/11/18 at 1:11 pm to
Posted by Ebridg3
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Sep 2016
1572 posts
Posted on 8/11/18 at 1:11 pm to
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3.3. A student-athlete will be in breach of protocol and treated as if there was a positive test for a banned substance other than a street/illicit drug as defined in Bylaw 31.2.3 if the student-athlete: • refuses to sign the notification form or custody and control form; • fails to arrive at the collection station without justification as determined by Drug Free Sport; • fails to provide a urine specimen according to protocol; • leaves the collection station without authorization from the certified collector before providing a specimen according to protocol; or • attempts to alter the integrity of the collection process. The certified collector will inform the student-athlete of these implications (in the presence of a witness) and record such. If the student-athlete is not available, the certified collector will notify the NCAA official responsible for administration of the event or an institutional representative.


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3.4. Tampering. A student-athlete who is involved in a case of clearly observed tampering with an NCAA drug-test sample, as documented per NCAA drug-testing protocol by a drug-testing crew member, shall be charged with the loss of a minimum of two seasons of competition in all sports and shall remain ineligible for all regular-season and postseason competition during the time period ending two calendar years (730 days) from the date of the tampering.



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6.5. The student-athlete and collector (and witness, if present) will sign certifying that the procedures were followed as described in the protocol. Any deviation from the procedures must be described and recorded at that time. If deviations are alleged, the student-athlete will be required to provide another specimen.
6.6. After the collection has been completed, the specimens will be forwarded to the laboratory.

6.7. All specimens are the property of the NCAA.
6.8. In cases of suspected manipulation, a student-athlete’s sample may be tested for all banned substances.


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6.2.1. The student-athlete will select a sealed beaker from a supply of such and attach a unique bar code to the beaker. 6.2.2. A collector will require the student-athlete to rinse and dry his or her hands. 6.2.3. A collector will monitor the furnishing of the specimen by observation in order to ensure the integrity of the specimen. 6.2.4. The student-athlete will be responsible for keeping the collection beaker closed and controlled.



There is very little wiggle room in there, apart from interpreting the tampering bylaw as meaning that he would have had to watch KF use fake urine, then submit the fake urine sample to which he then informed him that he knew it was fake.

Beginning to fill with fake urine, then emptying it out - (first he should have stopped him then and said sorry but I have to have that fake urine submitted as one sample and then had kf go get another cup and submit both samples. The first sample would have been the "tampered with" sample.) then filling it with his real, untampered with urine could fit more closely with bylaw 3.3 which is that he did not maintain the integrity of his sample. Hard to argue that the final submission was actually tampepered with if the collector admits that it was 100% KF's urine and met gravity requirements upon submission. That would still be 3.3 in that KF did not maintain control of the sample through the entire testing process, but the final submission could arguably be considered non tampered with or interpreted as any of the other "diluted etc etc"


Just me being hopeful - I know Miami is coming up and that without KF we still have a very good, underestimated team.


testing bylaws
Posted by WITNESS23
Member since Feb 2010
13722 posts
Posted on 8/11/18 at 2:20 pm to
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doesn’t think that Fulton can use a redshirt year, so he would have one year of eligibility in 2019 if everything stands as is.




Idk how they can't sue for damages and win. frick the NCAA
Posted by tschla1
Atlanta, GA
Member since Sep 2010
940 posts
Posted on 8/11/18 at 2:43 pm to
Some of this has to also fall on the University. If their drug use policy wasn't so strict, unlike the rest of the schools in the SEC, we wouldn't be in this mess either. Fulton panicked because he was so afraid of breaking LSU's antiquated drug policy that he ultimately did himself and LSU more damage.

I'm definitely not saying he's not responsible for cheating - he is. But LSU needs to join the 21st century (weed is not the Armageddon of vices) and stop being their own worst enemy.
This post was edited on 8/11/18 at 2:45 pm
Posted by LSUERDOC
Member since Jul 2013
2608 posts
Posted on 8/16/18 at 1:06 pm to
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You are a complete IDIOT.

He is an 18 year old kid that made a mistake. He has served a YEAR sentence or more. No one on this board has said he didn't deserve to be punished.

But 2 years is ABSURD given the penalties for other violations. What an absolute IDIOT you are.

I hope that one day when you make a mistake, the police are right there to bust your arse.


Yeah, I'm an idiot.
Summa Cum Laude at LSU. Top 10% in med school. #1 in my residency class.

I am almost 50yrs old. I made mistakes and paid for them. He is a man...not a kid. Stop presenting this like he did not know that what he was doing/attempting to do was wrong.
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
39980 posts
Posted on 8/16/18 at 1:09 pm to
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Yeah, I'm an idiot.
Summa Cum Laude at LSU. Top 10% in med school. #1 in my residency class.

I am almost 50yrs old.

Cringe
Posted by lsukingcfb1
Member since Jun 2018
294 posts
Posted on 8/16/18 at 1:10 pm to
Umm.. yeah, you just get expelled!
Posted by Captain Ron
Location: Ted's
Member since Dec 2012
4340 posts
Posted on 8/16/18 at 2:02 pm to
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Summa Cum Laude at LSU. Top 10% in med school. #1 in my residency class.


Some of the most clueless fricks in the world have sparkling educational backgrounds.

Case in point: You bumping this thread 5 days later to respond.
This post was edited on 8/16/18 at 2:03 pm
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
95114 posts
Posted on 8/16/18 at 2:06 pm to
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Some of this has to also fall on the University. If their drug use policy wasn't so strict, unlike the rest of the schools in the SEC, we wouldn't be in this mess either. Fulton panicked because he was so afraid of breaking LSU's antiquated drug policy that he ultimately did himself and LSU more damage.
What?

This wasnt an LSU drug test



The amount of inaccurate info surrounding this entire situation has been astounding
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
18136 posts
Posted on 8/16/18 at 3:42 pm to
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This wasnt an LSU drug test
The amount of inaccurate info surrounding this entire situation has been astounding
and can you just imagine how Fulton would get blasted (and I mean BLASTED) on this board is he played for Alabama and they were trying all sorts of things to argue for a reduced suspension?

And can you imagine how this board would explode if the NCAA reduced a suspension for Fulton if he played for Bama???

Blind loyalty is a dangerous thing.
Posted by lsufan31
MS
Member since Mar 2013
2177 posts
Posted on 8/16/18 at 3:59 pm to
Two Alabama players were caught in a car, with weed, and a gun- and forgiven by law enforcement- and the NCAA, and the university. LSU is being held to a higher standard.
Posted by Macavity92
Member since Dec 2004
5981 posts
Posted on 8/16/18 at 4:03 pm to
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Two Alabama players were caught in a car, with weed, and a gun- and forgiven by law enforcement- and the NCAA, and the university. LSU is being held to a higher standard.


Do NCAA rules cover criminal conduct? I did not think so. But I could be wrong. I think with arrests it is up to the school. I don't think you can compare the two situations from a perspective of what the NCAA allowed.

Personally, I prefer accountability and the high road when it comes to arrests. I do not think we need to sell our soul to win football games.
Posted by Will2nd
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2009
3937 posts
Posted on 8/16/18 at 4:27 pm to
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Do NCAA rules cover criminal conduct? I did not think so.


I guess you missed the whole Penn State ordeal, huh?
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
18136 posts
Posted on 8/16/18 at 5:33 pm to
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Two Alabama players were caught in a car, with weed, and a gun- and forgiven by law enforcement- and the NCAA, and the university. LSU is being held to a higher standard.
riiight, the NCAA hates LSU too, just like ESPN and the SEC offices.

Don't you understand how utterly ridiculous this is?
Posted by Tmcnair96
Member since Dec 2016
403 posts
Posted on 8/16/18 at 5:51 pm to
Post from Alabama 247 on the Kristian Fulton case:


pearljammer 4272 posts
Aug 10, 4:00 PM
boudreauxtide1 said... (original post)

He should be able to play. Tony Brown had like a 6 game suspension for failing a test. He got caught with attempting to use a fake urine sample but actually took the test and passed. He probably used masking agents, but still. Just call it a failed test five the kid a suspension and let him return to football. A two year suspension is insane.

Exactly. He's already sat out 1 year
Posted by Red Stick Tigress
Tiger Stadium
Member since Nov 2005
17846 posts
Posted on 8/16/18 at 6:17 pm to
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exactly and why did he tamper with the test?



Fulton thought the test was for pot? and it was for something else. He would have passed the test with no issues.
Posted by Red Stick Tigress
Tiger Stadium
Member since Nov 2005
17846 posts
Posted on 8/16/18 at 6:20 pm to
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rediculous rediculous



Posted by 33inNC
Charlotte, NC
Member since Mar 2011
4987 posts
Posted on 8/16/18 at 6:20 pm to
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Post from Alabama 247 on the Kristian Fulton case: pearljammer 4272 posts Aug 10, 4:00 PM boudreauxtide1 said... (original post) He should be able to play. Tony Brown had like a 6 game suspension for failing a test. He got caught with attempting to use a fake urine sample but actually took the test and passed. He probably used masking agents, but still. Just call it a failed test five the kid a suspension and let him return to football. A two year suspension is insane. Exactly. He's already sat out 1 year


IF this is true, then HOLY frick. It is insane what that damn school gets away with.
Posted by GetmorewithLes
UK Basketball Fan
Member since Jan 2011
19058 posts
Posted on 8/16/18 at 6:23 pm to
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Do NCAA rules cover criminal conduct? I did not think so. But I could be wrong.


Absolutely.

Penn State settlement with NCAA

I think that it has more to do with the program issue though rather than individual player issues.
Posted by heartbreakTiger
grinding for my grinders
Member since Jan 2008
138974 posts
Posted on 8/16/18 at 6:42 pm to
Our second class or ole miss level citizenship is due to weak leaders
Posted by KamaCausey_LSU
Member since Apr 2013
14505 posts
Posted on 8/16/18 at 7:21 pm to
I think Tony Brown got popped for drugs not PED's. So 6 games. And then they reduced his suspension from 6 to 4 games probably because Saban told them to. All while still allowing him to run track.
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