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re: For all those who blame Joe Alleva (or King) for the Wade situation....
Posted on 3/27/19 at 8:48 am to Philippines4LSU
Posted on 3/27/19 at 8:48 am to Philippines4LSU
quote:Nah, that's not Joe's style.
His best interests at this point would be to resign and save at least some face.
Self-interest is what Joe views as his best interest. Keeping an $800K-$900K/yr salary is what Joe considers in "his best interest". That's it.
The same is true of FKing btw. Though FKing only pockets ~2/3rds of what Alleva is paid, it damn sure is the best money that fool will ever haul in. Neither of them are headed anywhere without a boot-to-the-beehind to send them on their way.
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Posted on 3/27/19 at 8:53 am to Goldrush25
SOS 
Posted on 3/27/19 at 9:05 am to noonan
quote:
What is there to deny?
The article by yahoo...
Posted on 3/27/19 at 9:06 am to Y.A. Tittle
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What’s the reason he’s not fired then?
Two reasons:
1. For the players. WW being suspended give them hope their coach will be reinstated at some point.
2. LSU does not want to get out in front of their skis on a wrongful termination suit.
quote:
What is there possibly gained by this goofy limbo situation?
Allows time for the NCAA to investigate and publish a finding so LSU would have more ammunition to terminate.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 9:09 am to noonan
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Do you really think they thought they were going to be getting the negative coverage?
By suspending WW, LSU put a spotlight on the only program/team in the tournament w/o its coach. I think they knew this would happen.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 9:51 am to Irish LSU Fan
quote:So you think the two men who showed up to the LSU-Vandy game smiling, chatting, having a great old time, only to get booed out of the stadium, realized that the suspension of WillWade would bring more nationally negative press to LSU than leaving him on the sidelines?
think they knew this would happen.
See, that is an interesting observation.
I've seen nothing in evidence to remotely justify your level of confidence in the PR prescience of either man.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 10:04 am to Philippines4LSU
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He thinks it's a zero-sum game between he and Wade, and that the stupid fans will inevitably side with one or the other. Hence the barrage of dimwitted trolls.
I hope Alleva, his dimwitted trolls and the rest of the minority of Alleva supporters realize that LSU will lose 10s of millions of dollars if we lose Wade.
The money lost due to the handling of this situation by the LSU admin is potentially MASSIVE.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 10:08 am to Irish LSU Fan
quote:quote:
What is there possibly gained by this goofy limbo situation?
Allows time for the NCAA to investigate and publish a finding so LSU would have more ammunition to terminate.
And if the NCAA finds nothing? The WTF are we doing now with Wade's suspension?
Aim then fire. Not fire then aim.
Real simple adage to follow.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 10:09 am to Buda
675 down votes. That’s impressive.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 7:11 pm to GumboPot
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And if the NCAA finds nothing? The WTF are we doing now with Wade's suspension?
Rescind. However, I believe LSU (and the NCAA) know more than we know about the WW situation than we know. I think that is LSU thought they could get through this by keeping WWin his position through the tournament, they would have chosen that path.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 7:25 pm to Buda
quote:really, are they? Can you VERIFY them?
Wade cheated, broke the rules. Anyone who tries to claim otherwise is just lying to himself. The transcripts are pretty clear
What else did they talk about?
At what point in the conversation were these statements made?
Did anyone cough or speak with a helium voice?
I mean, it should be plenty clear to answer those questions, IF you hear the tape.
You're talking about a man's career, not just here but in coaching overall, based on 2nd/3rd hand reports of what's on an FBI wiretap that nobody's actually heard.
I can post a transcript of Saban saying he wants 400 lb linemen and doesn't care what it takes. It won't be verifiable, but can we still get him suspended?
Hell, I might can say he wants only the best corners and is willing to pay top dollar for them. In reality he might be talking about buying sheets for his bed, but hey, nobody's fact-checking things, right?
Posted on 3/27/19 at 7:29 pm to Irish LSU Fan
This is a major misconception, how would LSU and NCAA know more, the FBI leaking them information? Do they have a secret file that the FBI has let them look at?
If the "more" they have relates to Smart, why is he still playing?
LSU has nothing, other than parts of an alleged wiretap transcript that were leaked to a blogger by a criminal defense attorney with an agenda. There is a good chance that is all LSU or the NCAA will ever have. Despite that, our administration jumped the gun and suspended Wade.
If the "more" they have relates to Smart, why is he still playing?
LSU has nothing, other than parts of an alleged wiretap transcript that were leaked to a blogger by a criminal defense attorney with an agenda. There is a good chance that is all LSU or the NCAA will ever have. Despite that, our administration jumped the gun and suspended Wade.
This post was edited on 3/27/19 at 7:31 pm
Posted on 3/27/19 at 7:30 pm to Scoob
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I can post a transcript of Saban saying he wants 400 lb linemen and doesn't care what it takes. It won't be verifiable, but can we still get him suspended?
Hell, I might can say he wants only the best corners and is willing to pay top dollar for them.
Can't hurt...
Posted on 3/27/19 at 7:40 pm to Buda
I stopped reading when I saw “wade is an idiot”.
You win the troll of the year award.
#bootup
You win the troll of the year award.
#bootup
Posted on 3/27/19 at 7:40 pm to ellessuuuu
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LSU has nothing, other than parts of an alleged wiretap transcript that were leaked to a blogger by a criminal defense attorney with an agenda. There is a good chance that is all LSU or the NCAA will ever have. Despite that, our administration jumped the gun and suspended Wade.
I have pretty much kept out of this Wade mania on either side of the arguement but one thing keeps coming to mind. A lot of people support the scorched earth policy of just saying frick it and let him coach, they aint got nothing, and they aint gonna do nothing...
The problem I would have with that as an LSU Administrator is that the NCAA's probable cause trigger has been met to at least investigate potential improprieties. So how would I keep the NCAA from deciding to come park its Van in Baton Rouge and "investigate" every rumor anyone can dream up for the next year or two? I would try to show some "institutional control" of some sort. You may not like the decisions they made but would you rather a NCAA cloud hang over every sports program at LSU for next good while?
I am more curious of why this story hit the air when it did...
Posted on 3/27/19 at 7:52 pm to GetmorewithLes
But they did investigate the player and cleared him. Also, they knew about some of the wiretaps in October, yet let him Coach all season. If the wiretaps triggered LSU's obligation to investigate, then it was triggered in October. Lastly, LSU should have conducted its own investigation and then reported any findings to the NCAA to the extent it was obligated to report. Instead LSU bowed to the pressure and invited/allowed the entire BOS and NCAA to participate in the initial interview. Who the hell does that? Let your AD/compliance (I get it they are no friends of our basketball program) do their job and conduct the necessary inverview, you don't have a 20-person interview over a newspaper article.
This post was edited on 3/27/19 at 7:53 pm
Posted on 3/27/19 at 7:53 pm to ellessuuuu
quote:
our administration jumped the gun and suspended Wade.
Wade’s contract says that he may be suspended for “an indefinite period during any investigation by LSU, another governmental entity, or the NCAA or SEC to determined whether (Wade) has materially violated any laws or Governing Athletics Regulations.” All LSU wanted was Wade to come in and talk to them but he couldn't for reasons we all know. What choice did LSU have?.....ignore the tape? I'm sure that would go over well when the NCAA comes calling with a really big microscope.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 8:00 pm to Tigers4life
No, LSU wanted Wade to come in and answer questions before the entire BOS, the AD, the Chancellor and the NCAA regarding a newspaper article based on a recording leaked by a criminal defense lawyer with an agenda.
As of that day, I'm not aware of LSU or the NCAA with any open investigation.
From all accounts Wade was willing to come in for an internal meeting with Alleva and Alexander. Instead LSU invited the NCAA and the entire BOS. How many other personnel matters involve immediate interviews with the entire BOS?
Did the entire BOS interview Smart? How about Smart's family? No, they let the normal process play out. They jumped the gun and deviated from the normal procedure, then went public with the narrative that Wade wouldn't talk to paint him as being non-cooperative. Then when the normal process cleared Smart, they were already embroiled in a pissing contest with Wade and didn't want to be perceived as backing down.
What choice did LSU have? Allow Alleva and the athletic department to do its job and interview Wade internally. Don't go rouge and invite the NCAA and half of BR to come and ask questions about a newspaper article. Don't go public and try to paint your Coach in a bad light until you've had a chance to let the internal process run its course. Simply put, have internal process in place and let them work, instead of allowing Alexander, James Williams and whoever else'a idea it was to allow the NCAA and entire BOS to an internal interview.
As of that day, I'm not aware of LSU or the NCAA with any open investigation.
From all accounts Wade was willing to come in for an internal meeting with Alleva and Alexander. Instead LSU invited the NCAA and the entire BOS. How many other personnel matters involve immediate interviews with the entire BOS?
Did the entire BOS interview Smart? How about Smart's family? No, they let the normal process play out. They jumped the gun and deviated from the normal procedure, then went public with the narrative that Wade wouldn't talk to paint him as being non-cooperative. Then when the normal process cleared Smart, they were already embroiled in a pissing contest with Wade and didn't want to be perceived as backing down.
What choice did LSU have? Allow Alleva and the athletic department to do its job and interview Wade internally. Don't go rouge and invite the NCAA and half of BR to come and ask questions about a newspaper article. Don't go public and try to paint your Coach in a bad light until you've had a chance to let the internal process run its course. Simply put, have internal process in place and let them work, instead of allowing Alexander, James Williams and whoever else'a idea it was to allow the NCAA and entire BOS to an internal interview.
This post was edited on 3/27/19 at 8:10 pm
Posted on 3/27/19 at 8:25 pm to Irish LSU Fan
You are correct sir, I still have yet to see a link where WW was not able to bring his counsel with him to the admin meeting with NCAA. But hell with al that nonsense.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 8:32 pm to Tigers4life
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I'm sure that would go over well when the NCAA comes calling with a really big microscope.
You act like this is an isolated event. This is just a small ripple in a long investigation of vast corruption. The NCAA wouldn't be able to focus on just LSU out of 50+ programs caught cheating if Alleva and King weren't jumping up and down, waving their arms, crying, "Over here! We've got a cheater!"
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