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re: For all those who blame Joe Alleva (or King) for the Wade situation....
Posted on 3/29/19 at 2:49 pm to Irish LSU Fan
Posted on 3/29/19 at 2:49 pm to Irish LSU Fan
quote:What "things" are those again?
about things that are a violation of NCAA rules
I'm trying to find the differentiation between "We need to reinstate Smart right away," and "Suspend Coach Wade" for discussing the SAO which supposedly involves Smart. As goes one, so goes the other.
Are you suggesting Wade was suspended for something other than a supposed "offer" to a player who has now been cleared because of no current evidence of an "offer"?
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Posted on 3/29/19 at 2:57 pm to NC_Tigah
What investigation are they conducting? They have not sent letters or done anything according to their established procedures in any case.
Posted on 3/29/19 at 2:59 pm to NC_Tigah
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I'm trying to find the differentiation between "We need to reinstate Smart right away," and "Suspend Coach Wade" for discussing the SAO which supposedly involves Smart.
You said it yourself..."supposedly."
The NCAA did not suspend WW, LSU did. LSU suspended WW for violating his contract (cooperate with ALL investigations).
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As goes one, so goes the other.
Wishful thinking for those who want WW coaching right now no matter what.
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Are you suggesting Wade was suspended for something other than a supposed "offer" to a player who has now been cleared because of no current evidence of an "offer"?
YES (see above).
Huge difference between WW culpability and Smart. Smart was not caught on an FBI wiretap discussing NCAA rule violations with a convicted felon. Also, one is a student-athlete and the other is a coach. The NCAA tends to go easy on students and tough on coaches, schools & boosters.
Posted on 3/29/19 at 3:11 pm to RedPop4
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Where do you expect Wade to be, exactly? He can not be anywhere near his team because he is suspended. Where do you wish him to be, doing color on the broadcast? Courtside seats? SnapChat? Skype? In the CBS broadcast center on the pre-game and wrap shows? He has been told to stay away, that is what a suspension is.
He was suspended because he chose not to talk to his boss. His choice. But really he is suspended for being caught on tape. Stop making excuses. He is a grown man who made his own choices
Posted on 3/29/19 at 3:38 pm to Irish LSU Fan
quote:If that were cut-and-dry, Wade would have been dismissed. He was not! For a reason!
LSU suspended WW for violating his contract
The suspension was stupid. In the face of Smart's reinstatement, it is Duke Lacrosse level BS.
quote:There is NONE! No difference at all. Zero!
Huge difference between WW culpability and Smart.
Either Smart received something inappropriate or not. If not, Wade should be coaching. If so, Smart should be suspended. It is that simple.
quote:No sir!
Wishful thinking for those who want WW coaching right now no matter what.
If Wade is guilty, Smart should be D/Q'd and Wade Fired!
Right?
Posted on 3/29/19 at 4:00 pm to NC_Tigah
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If Wade is guilty, Smart should be D/Q'd and Wade Fired!
Right?
No, and not yet (possibly). As I said, not enough evidence from the NCAA (as of today) to DQ Smart (the NCAA usually errs on the side of the players). LSU is waiting for possible "confirmation" from the NCAA before terminating WW. That is the prudent thing to do from a legal standpoint (lawsuit for wrongful termination).
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LSU suspended WW for violating his contract
If that were cut-and-dry, Wade would have been dismissed.
Same answer as above (stronger legal standing if coupled with NCAA findings).
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Either Smart received something inappropriate or not. If not, Wade should be coaching. If so, Smart should be suspended. It is that simple.
Not that simple (well maybe it is for some). LSU did something very wise by suspending Smart and then asking the NCAA for clearance. LSU knows that the FBI wiretap evidence on Smart is circumstantial. Very different for WW (since he is the one speaking with the convicted felon).
Again, all of you who want WW to be in D.C. right "no matter what" need to step back and get some perspective. I want WW coaching right now (and next year) as much as anyone. However, the larger picture is that WW may have incriminated himself and caused much damage to himself, the players and the university. Only time will tell how this all pans out. Right now, it does not look good for WW.
Posted on 3/29/19 at 4:16 pm to Irish LSU Fan
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Irish LSU Fan
quote:I said, if he's guilty he should be fired......IOW..... NOT "no matter what". Clear?
those who want WW coaching right now no matter what.
quote:If Wade is in frank legal breach of contract, he'd be fired.
LSU suspended WW for violating his contract
If that were cut-and-dry, Wade would have been dismissed.
Same answer as above
quote:AS IT IS IDENTICALLY FOR WADE. Either there was a real "offer" or not. The same circumstantial material for one applies 100% to the other. Smart cannot be legitimately reinstated if Wade is guilty. Sorry. I know you are hellbent on being an FKing Alleva apologist, but their actions were and are inexplicably stupid and self-harming to LSU
LSU knows that the FBI wiretap evidence on Smart is circumstantial.
Posted on 3/29/19 at 4:48 pm to NC_Tigah
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I know you are hellbent on being an FKing Alleva apologist, but their actions were and are inexplicably stupid and self-harming to LSU
Check my posts, please check my posts. I believe JA and FKing should both be run out of town (that has been my stance for quite some time/before WW was hired).
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I said, if he's guilty he should be fired......IOW..... NOT "no matter what". Clear?
What's clear is that you think that you are the "judge" in this matter and that since YOU don't see convincing evidence RIGHT NOW, WW MUST BE INNOCENT. That's not how this works. The NCAA will investigate and determine an outcome.
1. WW has enough circumstantial evidence against him at this point to warrant an investigation.
2. WW refused to meet and answer questions from LSU/NCAA.
3. WW's contract REQUIRES him to cooperate with all NCAA/LSU/SEC investigations.
4. WW's refusal to cooperate puts him in violation of his contract (not to mention pure insubordination).
5. LSU had no choice but to act (termination, suspension, etc.).
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If Wade is in frank legal breach of contract, he'd be fired.
I have already posted my belief concerning LSU's decision not to terminate (at this time). Please read.
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Either there was a real "offer" or not.
The NCAA will investigate and determine.
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The same circumstantial material for one applies 100% to the other. Smart cannot be legitimately reinstated if Wade is guilty.
Like I've already said, Smart was not on an FBI wiretap talking to a convicted felon about violating NCAA rules. Smart gets more "benefit of the doubt" at this point than WW.
Posted on 3/29/19 at 5:28 pm to Draconian Sanctions
What, you have to post 20,000 times to be someone? Can't live on tiger rant We have jobs not like most azzholes on here.
Posted on 3/29/19 at 5:53 pm to Irish LSU Fan
quote:Irrelevant.
The NCAA will investigate and determine.
As you've said, the NCAA did not suspend Wade.
THAT IS THE POINT !
LSU suspended Wade. Let's repeat that. LSU suspended Wade.
It was LSU's decision, not the NCAA's . . .
THAT IS THE POINT !
quote:As does Smart.
WW has enough circumstantial evidence against him at this point to warrant an investigation.
quote:As he is.
WW's contract REQUIRES him to cooperate with all NCAA/LSU/SEC investigations.
quote:FALSE! or he'd be fired.
WW's refusal to cooperate puts him in violation of his contract (not to mention pure insubordination).
quote:LSU had a boatload of choices.
LSU had no choice but to act (termination, suspension, etc.).
Namely Alleva had opportunity for a private sit down with Wade.
They could have held a private heart-to-heart discussion about Shannon and Javonte. Had they done that, LSU would now be informed. Wade and Alleva would both be fairly legally safe. Wade's convo would be little more than hearsay in court. But that did not happen.
Instead, FKing got involved. Then he wanted to include an entire village of interrogators . . . including unknown outside folks on speakerphone!
Given the pending Federal case, no one in their right mind could possibly agree to that. In fact, given the legal jeopardy it could have put all participants in, FKing is FKing lucky Wade was well enough advised to turn down the idiotic request.
(That is why LSU has not, and cannot fire Wade for cause, at this point)
So LSU CHOSE to stupidly cut itself off from any avenue to any information except for that being selectively deposited by Yahoo's historically checkered/dishonest reporters. As they have habitually done, both FKing and Alleva CHOSE to walk a catastrophically stupid path.
"No choice?" . . .
Posted on 3/29/19 at 6:20 pm to Buda
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TOP BIENG CHILDREN!
Alleva did not do this to Wade.
Wade did this to Wade.
Wade cheated, broke the rules. Anyone who tries to claim otherwise is just lying to himself. The transcripts are pretty clear - he was offering to pay Smart's family to get him to LSU. The fact that other programs do the same is irrelevant. Wade got caught - which brings me to my next point...
Wade is an idiot. If you are going to pay players and make deals to do so with shady agents and middlemen, don't do it on the phone; don't handle it personally - be smart like other coaches and use middlemen and talk in back alleys or closed apartments off campus - places where you cannot be seen or heard. Yes many college coaches cheat, but most are smart enough not to get caught in person in a blatant cheating situation.
Finally, Wade refuses to explain himself to his superiors. This puts Alleva and LSU in a box - they have no choice but to suspend him. If Wade would come in with some reasonable explanation of innocence - what that conversation really was - they might be able to keep him on as HC. But he can't - because there is no reasonable and innocent way to explain that conversation. So what do you expect LSU to do - allow an obvious cheater to continue to coach? That would risk this season and future seasons and it would be absolutely horrible for the players on the team. No, Alleva had no choice but to do what he did - for the team and for LSU.
Wade's absence is not Joe Alleva's fault. It's Will Wade's fault. He cheated and stupidly got caught. And then he refuses to provide an explanation to demonstrate his claimed innocence.
Wade's done folks. If I were Alleva, I would have fired him immediately and started looking for my next HC. After this, I can't see how LSU can possibly keep Wade onboard. You guys need to stop trying to defend him and move on - for the sake of the program.
The point is: Wade did this to himself. Alleva and the LSU management had no choice but to do what they did and certainly could have (and in my opinion, should have) done more (ie, let him go).
You hit the nail on the head. You are 1000000% correct. Wade did this to Wade. Alleva had nothing to do with the wiretap. Fawkin dumbass Wade..
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