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re: Eric Reid takes a knee....on Veterans Day weekend
Posted on 11/14/17 at 1:47 pm to TigersInParis
Posted on 11/14/17 at 1:47 pm to TigersInParis
So which is it? Is it a harmless and miniscule message that people don't need to pay attention to or is this it an important and far reaching issue that people need to pay attention?
Because you cannot have it both ways.
Keep in mind the claim in question is that "America is a racist institution."
Because you cannot have it both ways.
Keep in mind the claim in question is that "America is a racist institution."
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Posted on 11/14/17 at 1:50 pm to TigersInParis
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No, I said I'm proud of Reid, not Trump.
Fine...idiots need love too.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 1:56 pm to RedTigerRulz
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RedTigerRulz
Take your hubris back to the motorpool.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 1:57 pm to RedTigerRulz
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RedTigerRulz The government is at the game?
The American government pays the NFL to tell its players to stand during the national anthem.
DOD paid tributes included on-field color guard, enlistment and reenlistment ceremonies, performances of the national anthem, full-field flag details. DOD even paid teams for the “opportunity” to perform surprise welcome home promotions for troops returning from deployments and to recognize wounded warriors. The National Guard paid teams for the “opportunity” to sponsor military appreciation nights.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:02 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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Take your hubris back to the motorpool.
i feel so unworthy
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:09 pm to TigersInParis
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Calling America systemically racist is very inflammatory.
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and accurate. And all the people getting their feelings so hurt by people wanted to discuss systemic racism only prove that point even more.
OK, you are literally calling a majority of the people in this country racist. That's just utter bullshite.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:11 pm to RedTigerRulz
Trump said NFL owners should respond to the players by saying, "Get that son of a bitch off the field right now, he's fired. He's fired!"
That is clearly inappropriate, certainly questionable in legality, and it clearly backfired. Owners, coaches, and players united against that ultimatum.
Further: Trump’s Big Mouth May Have Given Colin Kaepernick a Case Against the NFL
The president may be key to the quarterback winning his collusion grievance. LINK
That is clearly inappropriate, certainly questionable in legality, and it clearly backfired. Owners, coaches, and players united against that ultimatum.
Further: Trump’s Big Mouth May Have Given Colin Kaepernick a Case Against the NFL
The president may be key to the quarterback winning his collusion grievance. LINK
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:13 pm to Azkiger
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So which is it? Is it a harmless and miniscule message that people don't need to pay attention to or is this it an important and far reaching issue that people need to pay attention? Because you cannot have it both ways. Keep in mind the claim in question is that "America is a racist institution."
I made a list of things I consider about America worth protecting and defending. The flag or standing for the flag is NOT on my list, nor will it ever be.
The list
Objective Truth
Democracy
Rule of Law
Civil Rights
Freedom of speech
Freedom of the press
Freedom of religion
Freedom of expression
Right to bear arms
Liberty
Justice
Free and fair elections
Right to privacy
Right to an education
Human Rights
Capitalism
Right to the pursuit of happiness
These are the things our brave men and women in uniform fight for, not the flag.
Anyone threatening these values, foreign or domestic, I consider un-American and a potential threat.
Perhaps Reid and Kap see some of these principles eroding in their communities and wanted to bring attention to it through peaceful protest.
JMO
This post was edited on 11/14/17 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:16 pm to SEC Grapevine
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The American government pays the NFL to tell its players to stand during the national anthem.
This.
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DOD paid tributes included on-field color guard, enlistment and reenlistment ceremonies, performances of the national anthem, full-field flag details. DOD even paid teams for the “opportunity” to perform surprise welcome home promotions for troops returning from deployments and to recognize wounded warriors. The National Guard paid teams for the “opportunity” to sponsor military appreciation nights.
Does not equal this.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:20 pm to SEC Grapevine
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That is clearly inappropriate, certainly questionable in legality, and it clearly backfired. Owners, coaches, and players united against that ultimatum.
They're a private organization, why wouldn't they be able to fire them for speaking on behalf the organization in a way they may not want?
And even though the owners, coaches, etc might have rebelled against that, the business as a result is falling. I mean it's not catastrophic, but it's definitely noticeable.
If I'm a business owner, and an employee is causing me to lose this much revenue, assuming it's directly tied to viewership in this instance, I would either have him reprimanded and prevent further instances of that type of behavior, or fire him.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:22 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
"Perhaps Reid and Kap see some of these principles eroding in their communities and wanted to bring attention to it through peaceful protest."
I wonder if this level of nuance and sophistry would be applied to whites calling the government a racist institution...
Also Kap is a commie, so I'd expect you and he would differ a lot on the things you've listed.
I wonder if this level of nuance and sophistry would be applied to whites calling the government a racist institution...
Also Kap is a commie, so I'd expect you and he would differ a lot on the things you've listed.
This post was edited on 11/14/17 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:28 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
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I made a list of things I consider about America worth protecting and defending. The flag or standing for the flag is NOT on my list, nor will it ever be.
I can understand this to an extent, but to many people the flag is the embodiment of those things you've listed. It is literally a symbol designed to represent those things. Protecting the flag is tantamount to protecting those rights and beliefs.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:32 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
Without that flag in what it represents you have nothing on that list!
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:43 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
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Hugo Stiglitz
poor, poor you. Do you know what this stands for?
How bout this?
or this?
maybe this?
Well, all of this . . . .
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Objective Truth
Democracy
Rule of Law
Civil Rights
Freedom of speech
Freedom of the press
Freedom of religion
Freedom of expression
Right to bear arms
Liberty
Justice
Free and fair elections
Right to privacy
Right to an education
Human Rights
Capitalism
Right to the pursuit of happiness
Is represented by this
Unless you're kneeling or sitting while its displayed. Then your list is shite, because that symbol no longer reflects what should be our uniting values
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:43 pm to PlayActionPass
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Without that flag in what it represents
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:43 pm to PlayActionPass
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Without that flag in what it represents you have nothing on that list!
Without the the things on the list, the flag represents little.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:48 pm to RobbBobb
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Unless you're kneeling or sitting while its displayed. Then your list is shite, because that symbol no longer reflects what should be our uniting values
Symbols are for the symbol minded.
I stand for the anthem, I stand for the pledge.
But I will be damned if I’m ever going to pass judgment on someone simply because they choose not to do so.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:49 pm to Green Chili Tiger
So long as they're burning flags and not tiki torches in Charlottesville, right?
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:50 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
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Without the the things on the list, the flag represents little.
So basically what you are saying is that they are one in the same. If so, then the flag and the anthem should be honored.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:51 pm to Run DMC
Why is it that a "successful black person" should go into the inner city and teach young minorities how to talk to the cops. When the fact is that that's not the total problem. I know for a fact that white people handle cops 50x worst then black people.
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