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Azkiger
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re: Eric Reid takes a knee....on Veterans Day weekend
So which is it? Is it a harmless and miniscule message that people don't need to pay attention to or is this it an important and far reaching issue that people need to pay attention?

Because you cannot have it both ways.

Keep in mind the claim in question is that "America is a racist institution."


RedTigerRulz
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re: Eric Reid takes a knee....on Veterans Day weekend
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No, I said I'm proud of Reid, not Trump.


Fine...idiots need love too.


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Sid in Lakeshore
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re: Eric Reid takes a knee....on Veterans Day weekend
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RedTigerRulz


Take your hubris back to the motorpool.


SEC Grapevine
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re: Eric Reid takes a knee....on Veterans Day weekend
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RedTigerRulz The government is at the game?


The American government pays the NFL to tell its players to stand during the national anthem.

DOD paid tributes included on-field color guard, enlistment and reenlistment ceremonies, performances of the national anthem, full-field flag details. DOD even paid teams for the “opportunity” to perform surprise welcome home promotions for troops returning from deployments and to recognize wounded warriors. The National Guard paid teams for the “opportunity” to sponsor military appreciation nights.



RedTigerRulz
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re: Eric Reid takes a knee....on Veterans Day weekend
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Take your hubris back to the motorpool.


i feel so unworthy


HurricaneTiger
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re: Eric Reid takes a knee....on Veterans Day weekend
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Calling America systemically racist is very inflammatory.

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and accurate. And all the people getting their feelings so hurt by people wanted to discuss systemic racism only prove that point even more.



OK, you are literally calling a majority of the people in this country racist. That's just utter bull shite.


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SEC Grapevine
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re: Eric Reid takes a knee....on Veterans Day weekend
Trump said NFL owners should respond to the players by saying, "Get that son of a bitch off the field right now, he's fired. He's fired!"

That is clearly inappropriate, certainly questionable in legality, and it clearly backfired. Owners, coaches, and players united against that ultimatum.

Further: Trump’s Big Mouth May Have Given Colin Kaepernick a Case Against the NFL
The president may be key to the quarterback winning his collusion grievance. LINK


Hugo Stiglitz
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re: Eric Reid takes a knee....on Veterans Day weekend
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So which is it? Is it a harmless and miniscule message that people don't need to pay attention to or is this it an important and far reaching issue that people need to pay attention? Because you cannot have it both ways. Keep in mind the claim in question is that "America is a racist institution."


I made a list of things I consider about America worth protecting and defending. The flag or standing for the flag is NOT on my list, nor will it ever be.

The list

Objective Truth
Democracy
Rule of Law
Civil Rights
Freedom of speech
Freedom of the press
Freedom of religion
Freedom of expression
Right to bear arms
Liberty
Justice
Free and fair elections
Right to privacy
Right to an education
Human Rights
Capitalism
Right to the pursuit of happiness


These are the things our brave men and women in uniform fight for, not the flag.

Anyone threatening these values, foreign or domestic, I consider un-American and a potential threat.

Perhaps Reid and Kap see some of these principles eroding in their communities and wanted to bring attention to it through peaceful protest.

JMO






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Mo Jeaux
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re: Eric Reid takes a knee....on Veterans Day weekend
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The American government pays the NFL to tell its players to stand during the national anthem.


This.

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DOD paid tributes included on-field color guard, enlistment and reenlistment ceremonies, performances of the national anthem, full-field flag details. DOD even paid teams for the “opportunity” to perform surprise welcome home promotions for troops returning from deployments and to recognize wounded warriors. The National Guard paid teams for the “opportunity” to sponsor military appreciation nights.


Does not equal this.



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HurricaneTiger
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re: Eric Reid takes a knee....on Veterans Day weekend
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That is clearly inappropriate, certainly questionable in legality, and it clearly backfired. Owners, coaches, and players united against that ultimatum.


They're a private organization, why wouldn't they be able to fire them for speaking on behalf the organization in a way they may not want?

And even though the owners, coaches, etc might have rebelled against that, the business as a result is falling. I mean it's not catastrophic, but it's definitely noticeable.

If I'm a business owner, and an employee is causing me to lose this much revenue, assuming it's directly tied to viewership in this instance, I would either have him reprimanded and prevent further instances of that type of behavior, or fire him.


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Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
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re: Eric Reid takes a knee....on Veterans Day weekend
"Perhaps Reid and Kap see some of these principles eroding in their communities and wanted to bring attention to it through peaceful protest."


I wonder if this level of nuance and sophistry would be applied to whites calling the government a racist institution...

Also Kap is a commie, so I'd expect you and he would differ a lot on the things you've listed.
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HurricaneTiger
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re: Eric Reid takes a knee....on Veterans Day weekend
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I made a list of things I consider about America worth protecting and defending. The flag or standing for the flag is NOT on my list, nor will it ever be.


I can understand this to an extent, but to many people the flag is the embodiment of those things you've listed. It is literally a symbol designed to represent those things. Protecting the flag is tantamount to protecting those rights and beliefs.


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PlayActionPass
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re: Eric Reid takes a knee....on Veterans Day weekend
Without that flag in what it represents you have nothing on that list!


RobbBobb
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re: Eric Reid takes a knee....on Veterans Day weekend
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Hugo Stiglitz



poor, poor you. Do you know what this stands for?



How bout this?



or this?



maybe this?



Well, all of this . . . .
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Objective Truth
Democracy
Rule of Law
Civil Rights
Freedom of speech
Freedom of the press
Freedom of religion
Freedom of expression
Right to bear arms
Liberty
Justice
Free and fair elections
Right to privacy
Right to an education
Human Rights
Capitalism
Right to the pursuit of happiness

Is represented by this




Unless you're kneeling or sitting while its displayed. Then your list is shit, because that symbol no longer reflects what should be our uniting values


Green Chili Tiger
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re: Eric Reid takes a knee....on Veterans Day weekend
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Without that flag in what it represents











Hugo Stiglitz
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re: Eric Reid takes a knee....on Veterans Day weekend
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Without that flag in what it represents you have nothing on that list!

Without the the things on the list, the flag represents little.


Hugo Stiglitz
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Member since Oct 2010
72757 posts

re: Eric Reid takes a knee....on Veterans Day weekend
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Unless you're kneeling or sitting while its displayed. Then your list is shit, because that symbol no longer reflects what should be our uniting values

Symbols are for the symbol minded.

I stand for the anthem, I stand for the pledge.

But I will be damned if I’m ever going to pass judgment on someone simply because they choose not to do so.


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Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
517 posts

re: Eric Reid takes a knee....on Veterans Day weekend
So long as they're burning flags and not tiki torches in Charlottesville, right?


Run DMC
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re: Eric Reid takes a knee....on Veterans Day weekend
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Without the the things on the list, the flag represents little.


So basically what you are saying is that they are one in the same. If so, then the flag and the anthem should be honored.


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PeopleChamp
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Member since Jan 2017
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re: Eric Reid takes a knee....on Veterans Day weekend
Why is it that a "successful black person" should go into the inner city and teach young minorities how to talk to the cops. When the fact is that that's not the total problem. I know for a fact that white people handle cops 50x worst then black people.


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