re: Does McMahon get a 3rd year?

Like it was when he got here

He’ll have no excuse next year not to have a winning product.

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.500 in conference next year gets him a 4th. Watch and see.

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I think I'm willing to bet that LSU does not win 9 games in the SEC next year with the following:

Texas
OU
Ole Miss (year 2 under Beard)
Auburn
Bama
Kentucky
Aggy
South Carolina
Tennessee

The frustrating part is that we consistently finished in the top 4 to 6 in the SEC for 4 straight years. It is depressing.

Alot of you MM haters would have wanted to fire Mike k
after 2 years.Duke was shite when he took over and he had a
terrible record his 1st 3 or 4 years.Is MM MK no but he
took over a dumster fire and is making progress.He`s not
WW in that he won`t blatenly CHEAT and emmbarras the
university like WW did ,not that that matters to you haters,
but he will right the ship,just not on your timeline.You
haters have NO IDEA just what MM got himself into in this job at this time.It s sad the LSU players dont get support
from so-called fans because you hate the coach.

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I don't see how he doesn't, regardless of this years final outcome.

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I thought at the beginning of SEC play 5 wins was the "magic" number because I don't think Woodward wants to make a move after just two seasons. However, I think if he closes out the SEC season at 3-15, 4-14 (which would mean finishing on a 14 game losing streak, or losing 13 of 14), Woodward would have no choice than to seriously consider where the program would be going.

That said, I think LSU finds a way to win at least 6-7 SEC games. By NO MEANS would that be a successful season (a losing record overall, which is what that would be, is not a successful season). But it would at least give some thought of MAYBE McMahon can soon compete at this level. I do hope though that Woodward is quietly monitoring the marketplace (i.e. the behind the scenes agent talk). We, the public, don't always know which good coaches may not be happy in their current situation and who might be considering a move. Meaning that if a known, successful commodity unexpectedly seems to be available LSU would be in a position to pounce.

No one would have thought Kelly may consider leaving ND. They were coming off a CFP appearance and in the hunt for another. Same for Mulkey. She had Baylor rolling prior to leaving for LSU. Now I am NOT saying there would be a MBB coach of that caliber available to LSU this offseason. But fortune favors the bold and if by some set of circumstances you have a chance to grab a proven winner it would be foolish to waste any more timing hoping McMahon gets better.

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Coach K built Duke from the ground up. They weren't shite before him.

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That's not true, well, at all.

Coach K was hired ahead of the 1980-81 season. Three years prior Duke played for the National Championship as a #1 seed (Lost to Kentucky). The year before K was hired Duke lost in the Elite 8. Duke had 3 Final Four appearances in the 60's...including playing for a National Championship in 1964.

Bill Foster, who had "rebuilt" Duke in the 70's left for South Carolina. That's when K was hired. He promptly began tanking the program before getting it going again in his 4th season...and never looked back.

History lesson aside, comparing college basketball of the early 80's with that of today is BEYOND absurd. First, college basketball (and college sports in general) wasn't the multi-million dollar business it is today. Coaches weren't making huge salaries like they are now. More importantly, it was rare that a player left for the pro ranks before spending 4 years in college. Thus, there was MUCH more patience to allow a coach to build a program. Firing a coach after a year or two was not commonplace.

But maybe the biggest thing all of the McMahon defenders fail to acknowledge (or maybe are unaware of) is the fact the transfer rules have completely changed the timeline for "rebuilding" a program. When Brady, Johnson, Jones, Wade took over the LSU program the only means available to them to quickly overhaul the roster was HS signees and JUCO transfers (and grad transfers for Wade). If you had a weak roster it was nearly impossible to completely flip it into a good roster over one offseason unless you were able to sign multiple big time HS recruits.

Now, coaches can (and have to) completely change the roster from year to year. So you can go from worst to (near) 1st in one offseason. Consequently, it can work the other way and you can have your roster decimated by transfers. But whether you, me, or anyone else likes/dislikes the current state of extensive player movement in college basketball THAT is the reality of the times we live in. So saying "give a guy 3, 4, 5 years to get his players in and develop them" is foolish. Most players simply don't stick around in one spot that long. They either leave early for pro ball or transfer.

That means the patience level for a coach is much, much less than it used to be. Is that "fair"? Maybe not. But that is the world we live in. Last season other coaches took over completely gutted rosters, brought in new players, and performed MUCH better than LSU. This season, with eight new players McMahon has been a bit better to date. But not would anyone would (or should) call successful. Of course, there are still 12 games less so things could change quickly. But regardless of how this year goes it's highly likely he will have to bring in 6, 7, 8+ new players next season. That means there won't be a ton of "building" on top of this season. He will, like this season, have to get a new group in and quickly mold them in to a winning team.

People do not get that rosters are turned over every year, or they don’t want to get it because they like the narrative that Wade destroyed the program and Scott and McMahon are trying to rebuild the ruins he left behind.

This all ignores the fact that Wade us saddled with the same sanctions and is likely to make the tournament in year 1.

MM turned over 9 spots in year 1, 7 in year 2, and will likely turn over 7 again. That is not a knock on MM, every program is doing that now. That begs the question, what is being “built”?

Of course! He’s got great signing class coming in next year! Give him 3 more to be fair to him! Program had no players when he got here

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He’s got great signing class coming in next year! Give him 3 more to be fair to him! Program had no players when he got here

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I cant tell what is and isnt a troll anymore