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Do any of you understand how contracts work??

Posted on 12/28/17 at 2:15 pm
Posted by Darth Ren
Member since Dec 2017
68 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 2:15 pm
Canada WILL NOT be payed his full buyout. He is not being terminated by LSU... It appears to be a mutual agreement that will modify the contract. So please stop saying LSU can't afford a top OC
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66336 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 2:16 pm to
Probably better than most.

If they agree to something great, but I feel like we’re gonna pay him a frick ton of money still.
Posted by TDcline
American Gardens building 11th flor
Member since Aug 2015
9281 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 2:17 pm to
K. Thanks. Would read again. You’re so smart. You brought so much insight into this situation.
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
57229 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 2:18 pm to
I wish you would have posted this last week so I could have shared and discussed this with my family over Christmas dinner.
Posted by DuckManiak
Member since Nov 2011
3731 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 2:19 pm to
How well have you gone over his contract? The man just put a pool in for God’s sake. Was there a pool clause? Who pays for the pool!?
Posted by ibleedprplngld
Lafayette, LA
Member since Jan 2012
4300 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 2:24 pm to
I'd say I have an above average understanding of contracts.

And truth be told, he could very well be paid his full buyout. It depends on the verbiage and how the contract is written.
Posted by lsutigermall
Plantation Trace
Member since Nov 2006
7301 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 2:25 pm to
Good post. As well as they've kept the drama under wraps, my guess is that these changes have been agreed to for quite some time and we'll like what we hear after the game. Now let's go beat the crap out of ND
Posted by Guava Jelly
Bawston
Member since Jul 2009
11651 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 2:45 pm to
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Do any of you understand how contracts work??


quote:

Canada WILL NOT be payed his full buyout. He is not being terminated by LSU... It appears to be a mutual agreement that will modify the contract.


If you were as knowledgeable about contracts as you purport to be, you'd know that without the instrument in front of you, there's no way to know what terms are written into the agreement.

Although I tend to agree with you that LSU has the money to snag a good OC, they could very well be on the hook for millions of dollars depending on the language of Canada's original agreement. Also, the last thing the administration or the AD want is a fresh round of protracted contract litigation (see Chavis).
So they'll likely be more inclined to shove cash at him if he makes a stink about it.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28225 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 2:46 pm to
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And truth be told, he could very well be paid his full buyout. It depends on the verbiage and how the contract is written


Exactly. Certainly the termination of the contract can be negotiable. However, I suspect based upon the terms contract he is to be paid as LSU's OC for three years (whether or not he actually serves as OC). Maybe he wants out so bad that he's willing to reduce the buyout. Maybe he voluntarily reduces the buyout to make himself more attractive to another school who might want to hire him as OC (but is hesitant to pay LSU a significant buyout to do so). However, he very well could say "I'm not going anywhere and you'll have to fire me to get rid of me." If that happens, LSU may very well have to honor the full contract.
Posted by nitwit
Member since Oct 2007
12215 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 2:50 pm to
I think I have a good handle on how contracts work, too.
And the first thing required is to read the damn thing.
Secondly, there is no reason I have seen to expect that this will not cost LSU a lot of money to buy Canada out. His silence and patience, as well as his (apparent) willingness to stay on all suggest to me that he perceived no need to take any action to save his job.
You better believe that F. King and Alleva will watch closely how much this screw up costs LSU and it WILL have an impac
t on how much LSU pays a new OC.
Posted by Guava Jelly
Bawston
Member since Jul 2009
11651 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 2:53 pm to
quote:

I think I have a good handle on how contracts work, too.
And the first thing required is to read the damn thing.
Secondly, there is no reason I have seen to expect that this will not cost LSU a lot of money to buy Canada out. His silence and patience, as well as his (apparent) willingness to stay on all suggest to me that he perceived no need to take any action to save his job.
You better believe that F. King and Alleva will watch closely how much this screw up costs LSU and it WILL have an impac
t on how much LSU pays a new OC.


Agree with all of this.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
39086 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 2:56 pm to
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However, he very well could say "I'm not going anywhere and you'll have to fire me to get rid of me." If that happens, LSU may very well have to honor the full contract.


Yep. And as time goes by his leverage goes up. He can afford a dead year, LSU cannot. I suspect he’ll get almost full buyout to be mitigated by other earnings. Unlike Miles, he will take another job to keep his career moving. This will probably cost LSU a couple hundred thousand per year. That’s the difference between what we’re paying him and his market value.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
58543 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 2:58 pm to
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Yep. And as time goes by his leverage goes up. He can afford a dead year, LSU cannot. I suspect he’ll get almost full buyout to be mitigated by other earnings. Unlike Miles, he will take another job to keep his career moving. This will probably cost LSU a couple hundred thousand per year. That’s the difference between what we’re paying him and his market value.


Maybe. There are certain incentives for him to modify his buyout though.
Posted by TigerJeff
the Emerald Coast
Member since Oct 2006
16356 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 3:00 pm to
You're putting your faith in the belief that Joe Alleva will negotiate something favorable for LSU? Really?
Posted by Friar Tuck
Planet Earth
Member since Nov 2016
683 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 3:10 pm to
Agreed. Canada did his job just fine from the second half of the Troy game through the end of the year, and from what I hear, without a lot of conversation with O. So no reason he couldn't do the same for the 2018. For $1.5 million/yr, I could put up with a bunch of crap, innuendos, and dirty looks. Suspect Canada can also.
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68360 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 3:13 pm to
Doesn't matter, LSU could have spent zero extra cash, kept Miles and Cameron and gone 10-2 with this squad.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
29954 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 3:15 pm to
quote:

Canada WILL NOT be payed his full buyout. He is not being terminated by LSU... It appears to be a mutual agreement that will modify the contract. So please stop saying LSU can't afford a top OC




It hasn't even happened yet, you have no idea what is going to happen specifically.

Likely, they've already agreed to some number and I wouldn't be surprised if Canada has a line on a job already and LSU pays the difference, if any.
Posted by keakar
Member since Jan 2017
29862 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 3:49 pm to
part of the reason he will coach the bowl game is i am sure that is required to "complete" the first years term of the contract.

if canada wants out im sure its a negotiated deal at maybe halve of the remaining contract to walk away, hell if "he" wants out it could just be a severance pay type thing at only 1/4 of the remaining contract amount.

it "seems" by all accounts, its a mutual want that he wants to leave and LSU is ok with him leaving so i would be shocked if they had to pay him much to buy out his contract, but only time will tell.
Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
21564 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 4:05 pm to
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if canada wants out im sure its a negotiated deal at maybe halve of the remaining contract to walk away, hell if "he" wants out it could just be a severance pay type thing at only 1/4 of the remaining contract amount. it "seems" by all accounts, its a mutual want that he wants to leave and LSU is ok with him leaving so i would be shocked if they had to pay him much to buy out his contract, but only time will tell.


your title of "how contract's work" is a little deceiving. it's how contract terminations are done. every contract I've read, in the thousands, have termination provisions that cover the spectrum of why did it terminate. it's not like changing your damn cable company. BOTH parties have certain leverages. certainly, Canada will get some money but LSU will not end up on the hook for the entire amount; that would kill Canada's career. in all likelihood they will negotiate to buy his house, pay a severance and guarantee him a reduced paycheck offset by future earnings. in other words, they will make him whole. he has seen what LSU did with Chavis and he wants no part of that. he could end up spending hundreds of thousands in legal fees and smear his name at the same time. if he has any sense at all, he'll take a reasonable exit strategy and start looking for a new job.
Posted by The First Cut
Member since Apr 2012
13941 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 4:09 pm to
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